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Believe it or not, she played pretty much every otome game in existence. i can assure you that. P,S lol scat is a very niche thing, i myself find it horrible, i mean it's SCAT we're talking about, so it's natural and completely understandable if someone was against it, although i don't bash it or pointlessly make a ranting article about it. on the other hand that article writer was complaining about common stuff...stuff you see everywhere and appeals to a wide target demographic ;/

I know where you're coming from and i completely understand you, but that blog post and the comments on it offended me and many fans, not just me, but even non-anime fans will think it's completely hilarious and pointless. If she was just voicing her opinion and saying what SHE wants she could have at least put some effort in it so not to make others misunderstand her, i was really pissed when i read that post, it's just awfully written. P,S i read that PM, so is there something i can do? I don't know, it seemed to me like a 15 year old moral idiot who has first seen adult material. Actually, Most of them are Vanilla, but there are routes with darker themes such as rape and cheating and stuff. But think about it, Those otome games are what the japanese female audience want, so the developers make them according to the fans preferences, as harsh as it may sound, we really don't have any hand in it and our opinions don't matter to them (Not that we mind the way their doing stuff, heck i think japan is awesome). But that kid was playing all-ages otome games, then suddenly jump to R-18 and complain about its content just sounds extremely dumb to me.

Oh my bad. And yes, i think that is very sexist, but when you think about it, that article writer is giving women a bad name, she's basically saying R-18 otome games shouldn't exist and girls shouldn't play them, that's also very offending, don't you think? But What Caelistas meant is that she doesn't deserve to use the computer since she's old fashioned and prude, if you know what i mean.

No one said anything about you being a girl or a guy or that girls shouldn't comment. Yes i have my opinion, it just so happens that the majority has the same opinion as mine. I'm not saying you should agree with me, this is an open discussion, and most of what i'm saying are just facts that any long term otaku knows. Hakuoki is an all-age otome game, not an R-18. But like i said, We're foreigners here, We have no hand in whatever Japan produces or whatever they prefer, and they don't care about We foreign fans prefer. i'm basing my views on the japanese otaku culture and industry (Although there isn't a that big of a difference). Could you please point out the sexist comments? i don't remember see'ing anything sexist on here since that's a whole other subject. And we're not fighting here, we're discussing. No it's not just you, I also think we're going off-topic. You see there are types of Visual novels out there, There is the All-age one where you date the heroines with no H-scenes, which are the least common. There's also The regular ones, You know, with the Story and H-scenes. Which are fairly common. And there is also the H-scene focused ones, what we call a "nukige", Where it's mostly sex-oriented. which are the most common ones. And i'd like to point out something else, Yaoi is targeted at the female audience, specifically fujoshi's, that's the main target, although there are rare expections where a guy watches it. But then there is Bara, Gay manga for men, but it's almost extinct. As for Yuri, It's target is also female (See wikipedia) it was originally intended for females (It still is) But it proved popular among males aswell. So yeah. Well like most users here said, Anal sex is not uncommon, infact it's very standar and couples practice it regularly, so there's no need for prudeness. Anyway guys, we're going off-topic here, Please stay on topic and let the discussion continue

Yup that's what i said too ;p Yeah i get what you mean, But on other hand, if a female has a rape fantasy and really likes a specific characters and he actually rapes her, wouldn't that be a win situation for that specific group? People could always try another game. There is 2 in english, that's almost non-existant, but if you compare the number of Otome games to other forms of Visual novels then yes, they are very limited, i'd give you the link of the Data base if you want. Also like Haika said, It's a psychological gender thing, gay males aren't as accepted as gay females, it's unfortunate, but it's the truth. Dude, there's a big difference when it comes down to the female market of the different countries, Yaoi was invented by Japan, not by us foreigners, If you know some yaoi fangirl who skips the story and drama and goes for the graphic scenes then she's...uhh..."unique" i guess? Because as far as i'm concerned and as far as my knowledge goes, 80%-90% of the yaoi of any format is more Romance/Drama oriented, you might find few of them with implied sex scenes or heavily censored, but they're always brief. Then there's the PWP (Porn without Plot) ones, As i mentioned before, the only ones of this genre are Sensitive pornograph and Enzai, which both are more than 5 years old, they did horribly in sales (Because most Yaoi fangirls don't prefer graphic stuff) and they probably decided not to produce something similar to this again. On the other hand, about Yuri, as Haika mentioned before, it's a gender psychological thing, You see Yuri sex scenes in alot of Straight eroge games (In addition to Yuri-only games), but do you see any Yaoi in Otome games or Smutty shoujo mangas? Nope. it's a bit complicated and hard to explain. I completely agree with you, you pretty much said everything that needs to be said, thank you.

No what i'm trying to say, they're considering women's preferences, Men and women have different tastes, most women prefer something romantic with a bit of melodrama, while men prefer something entertaining with steamy scenes. The thing about men liking lesbians or women liking gays is just some random BS you see on the internet, granted, as a man, i do like see'ing two hot women at it, but everyone has their preferences and each gender has its unique tastes. But this is Yaoi we're talking about, It's made specifically to appeal to the female audience, have you watched any yaoi anime yet? They have no sexual content whatsoever, even the OVA's, everything is implied and barely shown (With the exception of two old ones, Sensitive pornograph and Enzai which had very graphic scenes and horrible sales. nothing similar was produced since then), so there's a difference. P,S basically what i'm saying is, Porn-like yaoi does exist, but not really apperciated by fans, very few people enjoy such stuff, which is also one of the reasons you don't see it often.

It's silly sometimes but you can think of it as a porno thing, you know, with the girls being embarassed and all she says no but the fact that it's mutual is still there. I hear ya man. But: 1) every R-18 visual novel has at least one rape scene or one rape route, and most of the time You get to choose wheter to pick it or not. There's also the walkthroughs and character profiles that are put up on the official site of the game, not to mention the manual that comes with the game when you buy it. 2)Well if you think about it, men don't often moan in sex, well as far as i'm concerned at least, but look at it this way, Female seiyuu are used to voice act in R-18 visual novels so they're used to such stuff, and the fact that there's a limited numbers of Otome games means that the male seiyuu is apparently unexperienced. It might be that, but i doubt she even has a husband, you don't need the internet or porn for such common knowledge if you ask me. Anal sex IS hot ,And like i said before, Anal sex is a standar feature in Eroges and pretty much any R-18 material due to its popularity and high demand, even without that, it's something couples practice daily in their sexual life, it's just that some people can't be honest about it, but at least they DO NOT bash it like the artice writer did, and the fact that she mentioned yaoi is just hilarious, i'll explain to you why. -BL (Yaoi) is a genre that focuses mostly on MalexMale romance, and most of it doesn't contain graphic scenes due to the fact that its mainly targeted at the female audience. -The fact that Yaoi with sex scenes is limited in numbers just makes her post extremely hilarious and dumb on many levels. -If we want to get real here, I've seen alot of statistics about percentages of anal sex, and apparently, most of them show that anal sex is practiced ten times or more among Heteros than homosexual men, Lesbians also practice it, so the more i think about it the more i realize that article writer is the most ignorant human planet earth has ever known, and trust me, You don't even need statistics for this, it's all common sense and knowledge. let's also not forget that many gay men prefer oral and prefer not to engage in anal activities, that, coupled with the fact homosexuality in general (Including homosexual women)makes up like 2-5% of the world's population proves that the article writer needs to do her homework or occupy the kitchen or do something fitting for her old fashioned, ignorant ways.

Same here, and to top it off, she said it reminds her of BL (Boys love, meaning yaoi), now last time i checked, there was no rule saying that Anal sex started in yaoi or it only works in yaoi. (It's funny if you think about it, there's only a small handful of hardcore yaoi with graphic scenes compared to all ages or R-15 yaoi, while Anal sex is a standar feature in most eroge's. same goes for real life). Exactly, but the even bigger issue is that she obviously isn't of the target audience, it says You need to be at least 18 to play R-18 games, and she's obviously underage or something. Japanese developers make stuff that appeals to the majority, they're trying to make profit while pleasing their fans. and about the "dirty talk", well like i said, she's underage, she can't comprehend mature stuff. They actually play them. Well the japanese at least. and not to sound harsh or something, but she, as a foreigner, has no right to criticize other cultures and their preferences. Funny thing is, most of my female friends read japanese and play R-18 otome games and not once have they complained. Yeah, the comments are stunningly immature.

It's alright, let's continue the discussion on the other one. Mods please, close this one down.

Uhh, yeah guys, i made a mistake and posted this twice (One on here and another on general discussion and debates). Moderators, close this thread, guys let's continue the discussion on Eroge talk. Thanks!

I posted this on the other general discussion and i wasn't sure if that's the right section so i decided to post one here. So i was browsing this blog made by an otome gamer, and came across this post where she rants and complains about the content in R-18 Otome games. First, for those who don't know what an Otome game. It's basically a Visual novel targeted at the female audience, where you date different guys and go through different routes and endings. Read the post before going any further: tl;dr: R-18 otome games for women « I actually found that post hilarious and immature, it seems she's underage or something, People need to be 18+ to play R-18 games. So here's what she complains about and here's my opinions. Heroine Getting raped First of all, i think rape is a common theme in any R-18 material, But since this is an Otome game, where you have lots of choices and lots of routes, blame no one but yourself for picking the wrong one. not to mention there is a fairly big audience for this who have rape fantasies. Heroine getting abused & humiliated Again, the game has different routes and options. and again, there's obviously an audience who likes this kind of stuff. Heroine getting sexed up by things other than the guy’s ding dong Someone apparently never heard of foreplay or oral. Heroine getting drugged & turning into a sex doll I said it before and i'm gonna say it again, the game gives you alot of routes and options, you picked this one, deal with it. there's the target audience for this. Heroine’s voice being louder & prouder than the guy whose route I’m on Excuse me, but do you want the guy to scream or cry while he's sexing you? Sticking it in the pooper Now this one is really silly, i actually sat there and laughed for hours at her prudeness. Anal sex is something you see everywhere and i don't see the problem with it, if you don't like it you could just skip it or something. Heroine constantly saying no no stop even when it’s clear both parties are mutually accepting of screwing each other That's just a porno thing (It exists in real life too), you're playing a porno game, and i don't see how this is a problem at all. Heroine being treated like a whore if god forbid she actually enjoy sex I have mixed feelings about this one. guys and male characters are always called perverts and stuff when they barely fantasize, so i guess it's some kind of equality thing going on here? i dunno. The amount of happy endings being overshadowed by the amount of bad endings You either barely played any otome games, or you forgot the fact that you are playing an otome game, since they're usually filled with drama. Eroscene where all the clothes are on Lol...I'm not even gonna talk on this one. Well there you have it guys, don't get me wrong, she is spot on some points, but the fact that she's complaining about something that is obviously not targeted at her is just plain annoying, it's a R-18 game, you should expect stuff beforehand. Anyways, girls (or guys), what do you think? Write your opinion below. Do you think she's right or wrong? what do you think she's right about and what do you think she's wrong about? Let the discussion begin!

So i was browsing this blog made by an otome gamer, and came across this post where she rants and complains about the content in R-18 Otome games. First, for those who don't know what an Otome game. It's basically a Visual novel targeted at the female audience, where you date different guys and go through different routes and endings. Read the post before going any further: tl;dr: R-18 otome games for women « I actually found that post hilarious and immature, it seems she's underage or something, People need to be 18+ to play R-18 games. So here's what she complains about and here's my opinions. Heroine Getting raped First of all, i think rape is a common theme in any R-18 material, But since this is an Otome game, where you have lots of choices and lots of routes, blame no one but yourself for picking the wrong one. not to mention there is a fairly big audience for this who have rape fantasies. Heroine getting abused & humiliated Again, the game has different routes and options. and again, there's obviously an audience who likes this kind of stuff. Heroine getting sexed up by things other than the guy’s ding dong Someone apparently never heard of foreplay or oral. Heroine getting drugged & turning into a sex doll I said it before and i'm gonna say it again, the game gives you alot of routes and options, you picked this one, deal with it. there's the target audience for this. Heroine’s voice being louder & prouder than the guy whose route I’m on Excuse me, but do you want the guy to scream or cry while he's sexing you? Sticking it in the pooper Now this one is really silly, i actually sat there and laughed for hours at her prudeness. Anal sex is something you see everywhere and i don't see the problem with it, if you don't like it you could just skip it or something. Heroine constantly saying no no stop even when it’s clear both parties are mutually accepting of screwing each other That's just a porno thing (It exists in real life too), you're playing a porno game, and i don't see how this is a problem at all. Heroine being treated like a whore if god forbid she actually enjoy sex I have mixed feelings about this one. guys and male characters are always called perverts and stuff when they barely fantasize, so i guess it's some kind of equality thing going on here? i dunno. The amount of happy endings being overshadowed by the amount of bad endings You either barely played any otome games, or you forgot the fact that you are playing an otome game, since they're usually filled with drama. Eroscene where all the clothes are on Lol...I'm not even gonna talk on this one. Well there you have it guys, don't get me wrong, she is spot on some points, but the fact that she's complaining about something that is obviously not targeted at her is just plain annoying, it's a R-18 game, you should expect stuff beforehand. Anyways, girls (or guys), what do you think? Write your opinion below. Do you think she's right or wrong? what do you think she's right about and what do you think she's wrong about? Let the discussion begin!