R-18 Otome games (Mature) Discussion.

[Stoopet 10]

Acually, I have to agree with Red Panda. Let's see if someone can make a list and send it to her. I don't think she is underage, that is too much to automatically assume. Maybe she just doesn't like it? I don't like scat. That doesn't make me not liking games with it in it a prude or underage. That just means I don't like scat. She's just pickier than most.

 

I DO understand how that could offend though, quite easily in fact. But I am not the type to jump to harsh conclusions. I do agree, that post was written poorly. But now that we can see what she most likely meant it doesn't seem like she meant harm by it.

(Nah, they stopped after 7 anons. Go ahead and forgo everything else in it now that they're bored)

 

Believe it or not, she played pretty much every otome game in existence. i can assure you that.

 

P,S lol scat is a very niche thing, i myself find it horrible, i mean it's SCAT we're talking about, so it's natural and completely understandable if someone was against it, although i don't bash it or pointlessly make a ranting article about it.

on the other hand that article writer was complaining about common stuff...stuff you see everywhere and appeals to a wide target demographic ;/

[Bane Doyle 10]

Really? Well, there must be some obscure ones out there that she doesn't know of that are more vanilla. I hope she finds them.

 

True... Maybe a better example would have been that I like, say... footjobs. I think they're hot, and it is one of the more common kinks I know of. But a lot of people I know think they're gross. I think the same basic thing, it's just not their taste.

 

Sadly, you are right, that IS common stuff in 18+ games from Japan. It's a different culture so we're bound to have some nasty culture shock we don't like when we get into something new, especially when sex is involved. Especially if you're really not into anything aside from vanilla sex. I'm actually quite amazed at how squicked out other women are when I tell them what is in the games I play because not much bothers me at all anymore.

 

... then again, I like Monster Girl Quest... I am glad I have never shared that information with another woman.

[Stoopet 10]

Really? Well, there must be some obscure ones out there that she doesn't know of that are more vanilla. I hope she finds them.

 

True... Maybe a better example would have been that I like, say... footjobs. I think they're hot, and it is one of the more common kinks I know of. But a lot of people I know think they're gross. I think the same basic thing, it's just not their taste.

 

Sadly, you are right, that IS common stuff in 18+ games from Japan. It's a different culture so we're bound to have some nasty culture shock we don't like when we get into something new, especially when sex is involved. Especially if you're really not into anything aside from vanilla sex. I'm actually quite amazed at how squicked out other women are when I tell them what is in the games I play because not much bothers me at all anymore.

 

... then again, I like Monster Girl Quest... I am glad I have never shared that information with another woman.

 

Oh trust me, i've seen all the otome games she played, and i doubt there is anything else she didn't play lol

 

Yeah, Footjobs is one of the niche fetishes, meaning while alot of people might find it unappealing or gross, the fact that people who enjoy it exist is still there.

 

Yeah, but if you think about it, it's not just common in 18+ games or 18+ material in general, most of it is common in our daily life aswell. but what can you do, there are all kinds of people in this world.

 

Holy-! i almost died when you said monster girl quest lol, seriously, you deserve a medal for enduring that game, i actually stopped playing it early on, it was something i've never seen before. regardless though, i think it's good to have something new for people who're into that stuff.

 

Btw just wondering, when you said you were talking to those fans, you mean that article writer's fans seen this post and were trying to argue with you?

[Bane Doyle 10]

Well random rape and abuse isn't what I would call common in everyone's daily life that they would WANT (rape/dub-com fantasies aside, I've had my share of those when I was younger... the former when I was DUMBER), but I see some of the other things that statement goes toward. Especially things like "clothing sex".

 

I LOVE MGQ. I adore the idea of Monster Girls and since nothing really bugs me it fit into all of my kinks/fetishes nicely, but I understand when people say it isn't for them, given how much it deviates.

 

I was less talking to them and more watching them SCREAM AT HOW STUPID AND DISGUSTING I AM MY OPINION SUCKS GO DIE while being confused and amused. I am certain they are fans of the article writer's blog, but I am not sure if they were 7 fans or just one very angry one. I didn't even bother replying, it wasn't worth feeding them.

[Stoopet 10]

Well random rape and abuse isn't what I would call common in everyone's daily life that they would WANT (rape/dub-com fantasies aside, I've had my share of those when I was younger... the former when I was DUMBER), but I see some of the other things that statement goes toward. Especially things like "clothing sex".

 

I LOVE MGQ. I adore the idea of Monster Girls and since nothing really bugs me it fit into all of my kinks/fetishes nicely, but I understand when people say it isn't for them, given how much it deviates.

 

I was less talking to them and more watching them SCREAM AT HOW STUPID AND DISGUSTING I AM MY OPINION SUCKS GO DIE while being confused and amused. I am certain they are fans of the article writer's blog, but I am not sure if they were 7 fans or just one very angry one. I didn't even bother replying, it wasn't worth feeding them.

 

 

Yeah i get what you mean, like i said, everyone's different.

 

Well, MGQ is "unique", if that's the appropriate word to describe it, I myself find it hot and kinky when a mature/older woman has sex with a young boy but with the whole Monster girl crazy rape thingie, i just found myself more confused lol. but don't get me wrong, it's quite the unique eroge. and the RPG system was totally worth giving it a shot.

 

So how did it start? they just saw this article and went trollrage mode? I guess the truth is just too harsh for some people.

[ultimecea 22]

i believe we could discard this kind of people into the realms of hell...

after all...

a person that didn't think in others shoe doesn't need to live on~

[Stoopet 10]

i believe we could discard this kind of people into the realms of hell...

after all...

a person that didn't think in others shoe doesn't need to live on~

 

Haha, oh well, immature people are just immature and apparently they'll stay that way for as long as they live.

[ultimecea 22]

Haha, oh well, immature people are just immature and apparently they'll stay that way for as long as they live.

 

i dont believe its due to immaturity/...

after all..

i'm not mature myself although i'm way past the age of adulthood~

its more to insensible mindset~

[Stoopet 10]

i dont believe its due to immaturity/...

after all..

i'm not mature myself although i'm way past the age of adulthood~

its more to insensible mindset~

 

Yeah that too, but immature doesn't necessarily mean she's physically not matured, it also means that she's mentally immature.

She also claims that she has a husband, which i really, really doubt.

[Kozue 10]

she should juz play the all-ages otomes in my opinion, go back to those happy lovey-dovey VNs which only has happy endings.

 

Heroine Getting raped (hello? its R-18. Go back to your tv dramas or all-ages stuff if you dont like it or your lovey-dovey shoujo mangas with a predictable ending xD )

Heroine getting abused & humiliated (isnt this like present in quite a lot of dramas? .__. )

I mean... i feel the abuse and humilation adds to the realism, it cannot be just a happy nice road to love~

Edited May 19, 2012 by Kozue

[ultimecea 22]

she should juz play the all-ages otomes in my opinion, go back to those happy lovey-dovey VNs which only has happy endings.

 

Heroine Getting raped (hello? its R-18. Go back to your tv dramas or all-ages stuff if you dont like it or your lovey-dovey shoujo mangas with a predictable ending xD )

Heroine getting abused & humiliated (isnt this like present in quite a lot of dramas? .__. )

I mean... i feel the abuse and humilation adds to the realism, it cannot be just a happy nice road to love~

 

 

no..

its cruel to do so..

i mean all-age great games like Clannad and Kanon will be a waste on her..

in fact..

we should re-educate her back to The Sims...

that should teach her right from wrong~

 

Yeah that too, but immature doesn't necessarily mean she's physically not matured, it also means that she's mentally immature.

She also claims that she has a husband, which i really, really doubt.

 

i'm mentally immature.if i need to redefine myself..

although i believe everyone in the world are so...

well...she does have a husband...

in her own dreams~that is

[Stoopet 10]

no..

its cruel to do so..

i mean all-age great games like Clannad and Kanon will be a waste on her..

in fact..

we should re-educate her back to The Sims...

that should teach her right from wrong~

 

 

 

i'm mentally immature.if i need to redefine myself..

although i believe everyone in the world are so...

well...she does have a husband...

in her own dreams~that is

 

Lol you actually made my day with the sims thing and the last line, and i thank you for that, i had good laughs ;P

 

Well i wouldn't call you mentally immature. a mentally immature person is basically a naive person, but more than naive, ignorant and incosiderate, i guess that fits her criteria.

 

 

she should juz play the all-ages otomes in my opinion, go back to those happy lovey-dovey VNs which only has happy endings.

 

Heroine Getting raped (hello? its R-18. Go back to your tv dramas or all-ages stuff if you dont like it or your lovey-dovey shoujo mangas with a predictable ending xD )

Heroine getting abused & humiliated (isnt this like present in quite a lot of dramas? .__. )

I mean... i feel the abuse and humilation adds to the realism, it cannot be just a happy nice road to love~

 

Exactly, which is why, as you said, she needs to go back to reading shoujo manga or something.

even all ages otome games are probably too much for her, but what can you do, some people are just unbelieavable.

[Bane Doyle 10]

... I think this is going a little to far. It is one thing to tear apart her post, but this is delving into bashing and personal attacks on her. Much like her fantroll against me for the first two asks they sent actually.

 

Isn't this too much?

 

I will not continue this discussion if it continues like this and I know I won't be able to stop yours. But I think this thread has gone too far.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Bane Doyle

[killerinsidee 14]

... I think this is going a little to far. It is one thing to tear apart her article but this is delving into bashing and personal attacks on her. Much like her fantroll against me for the first two asks they sent actually.

 

I know my one comment likely won't stop you, but isn't this too much?

I will not continue this discussion is it continues like this and I know I won't be able to stop yours. But I think this thread has gone too far.

 

I agree. Some criticism is fine, but this amount of bashing is getting out of hand.

I'll just say this - Opinions will always be just opinions. If those games sell, then someone must like them. At the end of the day, if she doesn't like the content why does she still play them?

[ultimecea 22]

... I think this is going a little to far. It is one thing to tear apart her post, but this is delving into bashing and personal attacks on her. Much like her fantroll against me for the first two asks they sent actually.

 

Isn't this too much?

 

I will not continue this discussion if it continues like this and I know I won't be able to stop yours. But I think this thread has gone too far.

 

 

 

well..

i agree..

its time to put an end to it..

after all..

i spam hatred post for quite a decent amount...

but...

i agree with killerinsidee....

from our first post until end..

the main point is she should stop playing all the games that she hate instead of ranting bot indecency....

then again..

i believe she dont fit to play any kind of VN...

nothing more than The Sims to keep her day busy~

[OneManArmy 82]

... I think this is going a little to far. It is one thing to tear apart her post, but this is delving into bashing and personal attacks on her. Much like her fantroll against me for the first two asks they sent actually.

 

Isn't this too much?

 

I will not continue this discussion if it continues like this and I know I won't be able to stop yours. But I think this thread has gone too far.

 

I agree. Some criticism is fine, but this amount of bashing is getting out of hand.

I'll just say this - Opinions will always be just opinions. If those games sell, then someone must like them. At the end of the day, if she doesn't like the content why does she still play them?

Fuck, why are you guys always faster than me? That's exactly what I wanted to write right now.

[Stoopet 10]

Alright. enough with the bashing, although the fact that the article writer needs to lighten up and change her immature mindset is still there.

 

Discussion is still going guys, give us your opinions.

[OneManArmy 82]

It's okay. Being fast isnt always a good thing.

You damn pervert~!

[Dubs 13]

Alright. enough with the bashing, although the fact that the article writer needs to lighten up and change her immature mindset is still there.

 

Discussion is still going guys, give us your opinions.

 

Lol wtf are you on about enough with the bashing.. You're asking for more people to share their opinions but that's exactly what it leading directly to the bashing..

[ultimecea 22]

Lol wtf are you on about enough with the bashing.. You're asking for more people to share their opinions but that's exactly what it leading directly to the bashing..

 

haha//

you dont have to point it oout~

[Stoopet 10]

Lol wtf are you on about enough with the bashing.. You're asking for more people to share their opinions but that's exactly what it leading directly to the bashing..

 

Yeah i know, it's inevitable, i understand it's difficult to give an opinion without bashing the article writer. her immatureness is just calling for it.

regardless though, Anything is welcome.

MOAR OPINIONS. MOAR.

[inthesky 10]

I just read the post here, and i don't read most of the discussion. but i think it's mostly about bashing this blogger / reviewer opinion.

 

i'm going to try defend this girl / woman a little.

 

well, did you guys see her game review list? she played more than 150 otome games. that's quite an achievement for a girl/woman. I think she's know what she's talking about. When you played that much game, you develop preferences.

 

Just like most guys here when asked to poll what kind of things you like in a bishoujo game, most of us says it's the story. but you know sometime we like other things too, (nukige).

 

It's just mean SHE does not like rape and all those kind of fetishes.

 

Don't you guys forget it's her blog, it's about HER opinion. she doesn't have to care about culture, target marketing demographic, other women fetishes and all that stuff.

 

Everything simple, she's just mentioning that she didn't like those kinds of thing in otome's game.

 

And i also think, she likes otome games a lot, otherwise she wouldn't bother to review it. (what is she? a masochist)

 

Maybe other girls in japan or anywhere else had these kind of fetishes, but that's irrelevant to the discussion.

 

The author didn't like those crass things. she express herself in amusing way for us guys.

 

She says " we don't want to see porn for man." well the way she says WE is wrong, because some women, like us guys love fetishes. The point is she lost in her own world thinking that all women are pure and sweet. That's her fault to begin with but again it doesn't matter, because most of women who read her blog would also entitled to their own opinion.

 

well from the way she wrote those things, i think she's one of the good girls you know. personally i don't want my wife to have a weird sexual fetishes do you, anal sex and shit, maybe some fucking cucumber once in while. like californication then? or 9 1/2 weeks? Shit that fucking scary.

 

she's a good girl who just like some romantic adventure game, and she look for it in an otome games. but she found a lot of thing she doesn't like, so she rant.

 

do you guys watch "up in the air". Anna kendrick's character 'natalie keener' was absolutelt naive. gong ho graduate student. thinking this world is a perfect place with perfect boyfriend, she want's to applied her believe to everyone else without understanding reality. she doesn't know how hard is it to fire someone, and the responsibility one must bear to do so. thats why it's amusing for me when she says her perfect dream to both clooney and vera varmiga. well in the end she grows up.

she is these kind of person you guys assume right? the goody two shoes DR cameron from house. the naive charcter that we all hate ???

 

 

so our author on this review is natalie keener. maybe even not. maybe she's understand how the world works, and she understand how many people out there who doesn't want to be constraint by the rule of society. what morally acceptable. maybe she even understand that we cannot do everything depict inside eroge in real life. she understand them all, she just doesn't like it. she's just not that kind of person.

 

one of her quote "EVERY SINGLE R-18 otome game has rape. Why? I don’t even include doujin games since those are fan made and typically free of this crap but the official ones…! Why?"

 

so why does that create such hostility man? she just want some conventional sex scene. and look at her blog, you know she played a lot. I haven't played even one otome game, not yaoi (i'm anime homophobe, i mean i just hate really fucking hate guys on anime, manga and of course VN. i would never watch clannad anime, or fate anime because there's should be only one guys and that's me! all the girls are mine!. I'm GORDON FUCKING FREEMAN. and i love Yuri anime to death, and my deepest fantasy is become a girl whose hot and have a hot girlfriend............ fuck that's too much information).

 

Anyway. i never played and never ever played otome or yaoi. the sexual disparity between man and woman makes it almost impossible to reverse role. She want' to dominate men in R-18 otome, not be dominated. she want's to read a great love story with conventional sex in it. and most of the title she read, don't satisfied her, so she rant. that's it.

 

Imagine all of H bishoujo title we guys played had a protagonist character like LUKA from MGQ. always gets dominated, always get tortured. maybe some of you had that kind of fantasy, but i don't. i don't like dominatrix. or be dominated. SHE also doesn't like to get dominated, get raped, get fucked in the ass. it's so simple so it's funny when you guys talked about culture and stuff.

 

 

End words:

 

i'm not a japanese and i don't played as much bishoujo as them. before i came to this site i already played almost 100 titles. from way back in 2000 where the art still really bad. then i stop a long time and get back at it in on 2008. most of them are officially translated one. and i must say only few of them impressed me. The excessive sex and everything is just like substitute for porn.

 

But a few of the greats really create lasting impression for me. it create such love for this culture. and now it blinds me and now i'm just obsessed and had to have everything no matter what kind of story it entails.

 

no matter what people say, for me kazoku keikaku (family planning) is the greatest bishoujo i've ever played. and it's a personal journey for me that i'm not willing to share. there's no reason or whatever rationalization you throw at me that'll make me hate this game. some of you guys here also had this kind of things right. (cobb's quote " An idea is like a virus, resilient, highly contagious. The smallest seed of an idea can grow. It can grow to define or destroy you" meaning if you already believe in something there's no amount of reason in the world that would deviate you from it. and thats why mal kill herself.)

 

She also had this kind of experience. since she played so much otome title. She know what she like. she knows what she hate. she would not apologize for it. and we should not bashed her because of it.

 

...............and you says she's immature ?

Edited May 26, 2012 by inthesky

[inthesky 10]

Also read some of her reader's comment and you'll know how are most of her reader (women) really feel while playing those R-18 rapist otome game!

[inthesky 10]

Lijakaca's Otome Gaming Blog - Otome gaming news and discussion

 

checkout this other review about r-18 otome game.

 

by the way, i defended them not beacuse everyone entitled to their opinion. not because they are feminist. i hate feminist, hate them so much.

 

but i assume they are not one because they are playing and reviewing otome games.

[Stoopet 10]

@inthesky

You just wasted yours and everyone's time here dude. She doesn't like it? Simple, Don't fucking play the game.

 

The fact that those games sold, are selling, and WILL sell is still there and a random immature internet twat's ranting won't change that fact, She's a foreigner god dammit, unless she's part of the japanese otaku culture and supports the companies and follows them, she has no fucking right to criticize their shit whatsoever, so stop spitting nonsense because this is really pissing me off, i left this thread for a fucking week hoping the arguement will end and what i get is another troll, i'm sorry, don't take it as an offense, but you really ruined my day, or rather, my fucking month.

 

"Maybe other girls in japan or anywhere else had these kind of fetishes, but that's irrelevant to the discussion."

...How old are you, 10?

 

"She want' to dominate men in R-18 otome, not be dominated" Well that's a problem, Because that's physically impossible unless the male is extremely submissive or she has superpowers in which fucking case is not something you see often. That and the developers are trying to make it realistic and belieavable, on top of it being targeted for the FEMALE AUDIENCE AND ITS FUCKING JAPANESE, NOT FOR 10 YEAR OLD IMMATURE FOREIGN PRUDE GIRLS.

On the other hand, There are a fuckton of eroges with women forcing boys and blackmailing them to have intercourse with them, But do you see anyone bitching about it and insulting other cultures for it? Is there any fucking article on the fucking internet complaining about anything related to Eroge's at all? (Even if there is, i fucking bet it's at least reasonable). Fucking sweet cow.

 

 

"well from the way she wrote those things, i think she's one of the good girls you know. personally i don't want my wife to have a weird sexual fetishes do you, anal sex and shit, maybe some fucking cucumber once in while. like californication then? or 9 1/2 weeks? Shit that fucking scary."

 

I can't believe you just said that, i just...wow.................................................Fucking wow.

is Anyone else beside me thinking "Burn that troll"?

 

 

"The excessive sex and everything is just like substitute for porn."

 

FUCKING HELLO? YOU'RE PLAYING A PORN GAME, WITH ADULT CONTENT, WITH SEX, WHAT THE FUCK?

 

 

"by the way, i defended them not beacuse everyone entitled to their opinion. not because they are feminist. i hate feminist, hate them so much."

 

Well first of all, you didn't really "defend" them, you just made a fool out of yourself.

second of all, No you're not a feminist, i can tell, you're just a troll, because even the most extreme man-hating feminist wouldn't go as far as to descriminate other cultures and people's preferences, especially not something targeted at THEM. plus i don't see how this has anything to do with feminism, it's just a bunch of ignorant preteen girls looking for attention.

 

and FYI Lijakaca's Post was 100 times better than the other one, it's justified (Despite some utter bullshit) and does make a tad bit of sense.

 

I'd really apperciate if you go get yourself educated before posting, again, don't take it as an offense, but right now my mood is pretty fucked up thanks to you.

Edited May 27, 2012 by Stoopet