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Coμ, and by god it's terrible. Incredibly awkward fighting scenes that make little to no sense at all: Bite of the arm of a quick and agile fighter, -> no follow-up, tell the other person you're with to run away instead of finishing off a weakened opponent that is much faster than you, giving them the chance to recover and kill you, which obviously doesn't actually happen because *plot convenience* And then the constant "the attack is too fast, we cannot dodge it, it is impossible to dodge the attack, the attack cannot be dodged, we were about to be hit by the attack that we could not dodge and it would be fatal.... ..... ..... but we blocked it with a shield lolololz. It's already blatantly obvious what's going to happen and the exchange just gets dragged on for way too long with no actual tension, and this happens every fucking fight, every fucking time. The characters go from "omg battles, monsters, they're trying to kill us" to SoL comedy mode every other line (One character just nearly got killed twice, yet the thing that finally gets to her is the fact that someone called her flat-chested... riiiiight) I mean, at least have some god damned consideration for the fact that you nearly got killed and there's huge fucking monsters out to end your life and no one is going to help you against them, you're on your own.... "Oh but these potato chips are delicious!" Fuck me.... I guess Muv-Luv spoiled me with characters actually reacting to danger as if it was significant and dangerous... And then there's that fucking Kagome, if there is one thing I despise in stories it is when a character is effortlessly flawless, Kagome is amazing at everything she does for absolutely no reason other than that the writer decided she was to be competent at everything. She just *happens* to be an amazing fighter, despite never/rarely training or sparring, she just *happens* to be an amazing judge of character and personality despite never really interacting with people, she just *happens* to be an amazing cook for no goddamn reason either and she just *happens* to have an amazing figure too. Fucking fanfic character is what that is, and she obviously just goes along with what's happening in the story even though she isn't involved at all and nobody really takes note of it either, she just *happens* to be there, and that's just the way it is.

Not sure why that'd be so shocking, I'd still play the hell out of Sengoku Rance without the H-scenes

Some of the requirements include conversations with the other alchemist and having him study Aht, experimenting on Aht using some kind of crafted compound I believe (or Will decides against it, but you still need to do the build-up towards it) Basically they're supposed to have talked about Aht still containing some impurities, and Will considers removing them and turning Aht into a pure rock golem, but decides against it or something because that'd stop Aht from being Aht or w/e. Never had issues with this particular quest so I'm not sure what went wrong, if you did all events leading up to this chapter and had Aht at level 26+ before chapter 6 you SHOULD be fine by all accounts, though I do remember the purification item you were supposed to craft being somewhat obscure. Aht is a pretty shitty character anyway :/

If reading other Key works has proven anything, it's not going to get any better toward the end. Arbitrary, nonsensical, out-of-place drama inbound. (yes I'm sour about rewrite)

Yea for me the typical moonlogic did me in, the first red flag was raised when after being an isolated loner all his life his first choice when having escaped his prison and being inevitably wanted by the authorities was: "I wanna go to school!" He has no reason to believe people are nice, absolutely none, everyone he's had pleasant interaction with had either abandoned him or caused him suffering indirectly and yet he's still clinging to the belief that people are the nicest thing ever and totally worthy of his trust. Sure, I'll accept people this insane can exist, but I prefer logic over insanity. Still, credit where it's due, the story is well written despite the subject matter being so terrible. I could also have done without the inconsistent tone of comedy comedy comedy sadness comedy comedy sadness sadness comedy comedy sadness.

Welp, off to a good start, albeit a bit awkward with what can only be described as "typical Japanese moonlogic" that and having read for only about 15 minutes I can already smell the TRAGEDY coming a mile away...

Still working slowly through Higurashi, it's good enough not to rush Finally finished Lucia route of rewrite (and by finished I mean skipped through the majority of the latter bits when the story went full retard) and I'm struggling between continuing on for the good parts (first half was great) or avoiding more of the utterly awful drivel that was the second half which is pretty much been confirmed to continue to be awful in each route....

Anyone know a good brain surgeon? I seem to have developed a spontaneous aneurysm from simply reading the intro, detailing the religious history of.... ow.... my head....

So I'm currently reading rewrite and got stuck doing Lucia's route first and I'm starting to wonder what the hell happened and when the story goes back to being bearable.

Let's not gloss over the fact that he jumps from extra to.... I'm not sure what the second half of the review is reviewing, the latter part of alternative is where the story really takes off and never at any point does the protagonist literally fight gods and goddesses, nor is he shown to be remotely capable of doing so (talented at piloting a mech maybe, but never unreasonably so) Seems like your average troll review, good for some laughs though :]

I thank you for your contributions, you were very insightful in your theories, I'm personally a bit anxious towards Grisaia 2-3 as the Amane route left me with a bad aftertaste, the idea of the worst of it being potentially continued is somewhat disheartening, but your arguments so far leave me to believe that they might still come up with a reasonable explanation for it all.

Lastly, if you're still convinced she was faking it... [spoiler=Extreme Ultra Hyper spoiler][ ]

[spoiler=Kazuki] A cracked arm is in many cases worse than a broken one, a broken bone can be set, a cracked bone will often need to be surgically repaired or removed, also even when stripping human meat from the bones, unless you have dedicated tools for the job (and something to wash the bones with) you will leave quite a lot of tissue on the bones, due to variance in body sizes it would be obvious to see through the absurd trick of re-arranging bones even to a casual observer, let alone a forensic analyst, the bodies would also be retrieved as complete as possible for burial purposes so it's not like they wouldn't have bothered to try and assemble the pieces properly [spoiler=Another reason] A very good argument, though I do have some difficulty accepting such rational and deliberate long-term planning especially considering the mental state of the pursuers, keeping her alive at her near starved state would also require food in an of itself, while they could have just killed her and have even better meals. That aside though, they didn't just kill the people at the camp either, just feeding off the dead (somewhat sensible, considering their lack of knowledge on the matter) The key problem here is that Kazuki and Amane very strongly antagonized the group by running away, being in a deranged mental state due to starvation and the chemical side-effects of consuming human mean they wouldn't even recognize her as food but rather as "a threat" Even leaving all that aside, assuming they captured her they wouldn't leave her in a position where she could escape, her handicap of an unusable arm makes it utterly impossible to escape her capture before her own demise. However, let's assume she planned everything out beforehand and actively poisoned the meat, causing her captors to die shortly after her capture, leaving Amane a vivid memory of "her death" to make her setting up her own demise as more believable, having a witness and all. The plan has some glaring flaws of course, there was absolutely no indication that Amane would be able to survive so that would be a rather absurd gamble to take, there was also not a single guarantee they would capture her rather than kill her on the spot like the pack of deranged monkeys they were reduced to at the time. My final thought on the matter would be that there are simply far too many risks and uncertain factors for this to have been "planned from the start", unless I'm missing something here

Honestly no need for the spoiler tags so much, this is a spoiler thread after all. Anyway, her injury was very real, at the start they clearly state that her arm was visibly broken, even assuming she nursed it perfectly and was feeding herself properly it wouldn't have healed so well and so quickly. Assuming once more that she was well-fed throughout the ordeal (certainly possible) and that she wanted to keep most people there just for the sake of faking her own death (the idea that you can fool forensics using said "carrot trick" is laughably absurd, and the corpses wouldn't have been stripped to the bone so rapidly to make a convincing show of it in the first place) But this does bring up another interesting challenge for thought, I suppose, I've added it to the first post

The main problem is the inconsistency in her repertoire, she knows exactly how to guide Amane with little but written instructions, knows how to apply advanced medical care, which plants are edible and even displays social prowess to the point of predicting the behavior of a group of highly unstable teenage girls despite having little to no social experience. Even considering she read a staggering number of books, the problem remains that books generally do not contain conclusive information, certainty based of second hand experience, let alone accuracy, is utterly absurd. Yet Kazuki managed all that just fine, if anything I find that I am underestimating her capabilities, but the biggest flaw in the Amane route was that it had no characters, people changed completely when the plot demanded it. Need a desperate struggle to survive? Your genius is only genius in the sense that she makes the experience as slow and excruciating as possible offering only a completely nonsensical last minute escape. Need some last minute drama? Your spymaster with lauded absurd capabilities completely fails to notice what would be a dangerous individual even to the casual observer, walking headlong into a trap he should have seen coming miles away. If Yuuji would logically walk into a trap there is no way he could also be competent at his job, which he was said to be. Lastly the homicidal father makes no sense whatsoever, he fires a shot at the pair and then casually goes explaining himself, he had absolutely no reason to fire the first shot whatsoever AND have the desire to explain himself, they simply psychologically contradict each other, same as the fact that he was homicidal in the first place, the sheer combination of utterly deranged mentality and his "competence" in ultimately carry out his "revenge" again completely contradict each other. I absolutely despise characters like Kazuki, they are geniuses only in the sense that they "know" whatever the plot requires them to know, but are ultimately completely incompetent and incapable of showing any legitimate intelligence. the worst part [spoiler=Possible Grisaia 2 spoilers if you're extremely dense] is that she "somehow" managed to survive an attack by a group of assailants that was greater in both number and fitness, all the while lacking the use of one of her arms, then also managed to survive the whole thing, apparently not even being exhausted/injured after the whole ordeal, they also drop far too obvious hints that she is still alive, the rational Yuuji making an utterly incomprehensible assessment that his sister might still be alive is so out of character that it's proof enough, but their complete negligence to show what was in Kazuki's stash is another dead giveaway, other subtle hints include the entire segment of the Amane route focusing more on Kazuki than Amane, dragging on endlessly while she is there and suddenly becoming extremely abbreviated once she "dies", a character that is to be discarded doesn't get this much development in a story. It's not often that I wish a character had died, but Grisaia managed it, not sure if congratulations or jeering are in order...

So basically, if you've read the route then by now you've probably realized that Probably couldn't survive in her own back yard, the amount of ways to survive the set of circumstances this so called "genius" utterly failed to realize are so considerable I couldn't help but ponder them, and I figure it might be interesting to discuss just what YOU would have done under these circumstances, how you would have reacted and also, how realistic those ideas would ultimately be. First of all, let me separate these categories for the sake of clarity; Survival by rescue(simple): Simple enough, due to whatever plans you come up with you manage to get rescued, assuming the perspective of a group of "normal" schoolgirls, no geniuses available. Survival by rescue(advanced): Basically you have mcGuyver at your disposal, your genius group member has a font of knowledge capable of absurd feats of trivia and know-how (yet without the extremely "convenient" gaps in them that Kazuki had) but still human and she has one arm broken/unusable Survival by escape(simple): Same as before, you don't sit around for rescue and escape on your own Survival by escape(advanced): Same as before, though don't suggest the magical appearance of edible plants/animals, the conditions remain the same Hard mode solo survival: Basically, think of a plausible scenario in which Kazuki could have survived the events that transpired, note that it is basically indisputable that her arm was broken, but she might have tricked Amane in some other ways at least. Take significant note of the fact that in the end, she was assaulted by a group of people more physically fit, fed and focused than her (they had absolutely nothing holding them back from killing her at that point) and she had a broken arm. Honestly I'm drawing a total blank on this one First off, let's get the obvious bullshit out of the way: :: A camping trip in the middle of nowhere would have a contingency, they knew their phones wouldn't work, which means they should have been sensible enough to bring a flare, we can excuse this by assuming they're retarded and forgot, or the flares got lost/damaged somehow :: A search and rescue attempt would have easily found them considering the nature of the accident (left behind tire rubber and massive brake-marks on the road) even considering they went off-road they didn't take a massive detour and a search party would have found them under 3 days flat, assume there is no search party for the sake of the argument :: Why didn't the compass work? Proximity to magnetized rock! Obviously any moron would solve this problem by walking into the jungle where the compass would resume function, assume for the sake of this topic that you have no compass :: In your scenario, every member of the group must survive, you are not allowed to leave anyone to die :: Food is scare, under no condition does your groups food situation improve until you manage to "survive" I'll also give a brief example/my own thoughts on each category: Survival by rescue(simple) Survival by rescue(advanced) Survival by escape(simple) Survival by escape(advanced) Yes, I made this thread largely out of utter resentment towards this so-called "genius" but also because I'm legitimately interested how people would try to survive this set of circumstances, specifically if people have any plans to traverse the jungle, and how. Also feel free to call out any flaws in my ideas.

Just finished Grisaia's Amane route, there are no words to describe just how awful this route was, consistency was terrible, pacing was terrible, I'd say more but those would probably be spoilers.

gynecology, you can also break it up by using gym, I'm fairly sure no words start with ym, unless we use names like Ymir

Editorial

Nevermore... I don't want to sound to pretentious going for words like nebulous :|

Error/Gemini

Ridiculous

Either Gerard the lone wolf is a fucking sage or you're just trolling, you've said exactly the things he claimed stupid people would be saying (Natsumi being androphobic, lol) and the whole comparison of Muv-Luv alternative with naruto (Seen it claimed a lot but I have yet to see a single argument to support it, I wonder why....)

Another thing I should add is that the restriction that you finished the game can dilute the result, many people who dislike a VN won't finish it, so you will only get results from people who liked something, bumping up the final score significantly.

I just can't help but wonder why you rate a game like G-senjou the same as Gadget trial, which despite not having a horrible story has terrible gameplay segments that detract more than they add. The problem with large lists is that when you score things, you do so in how they were in relation to others, the bigger the list the more that effect is going to be clustered rather than affecting the list as a whole. What were the conditions you used to rate the games? If it is purely how you rated your experience with them, that is also strongly affected by things like mood, expectations and whatever you felt like perusing at the time in relation to what you actually got. If I'm feeling like reading a H-novel and I read Muv-Luv alternative I'd skip through most of the story and get upset at a lack of H in it, no matter how good the story is I'd rate the lack of what I wanted more strongly than the actual product itself.