Best way to play games in Japanese

[BlackySensei 13]

I've tried VNR, but the translations are always too spotty and barely ever make grammatical sense. Even when I try games that have both an English and Japanese version like KaraKara so I know what it is supposed to say, VNR's translations are still way off. I was wondering if anyone else found a better translator because it seems Lewdness will never be translated and I really liked Starless' art.

[SableCrow 18]

Using a text hooker, Translation Aggregator and a translation program might work for you, refer to here for detailed instruction: https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/3/

 

I would also recommend taking some time to learn hiragana and katakana and some basic Japanese grammar, which honestly doesn't take long providing you spend some time each day and do it efficiently.

[BlackySensei 13]

I'll try it thanks a lot.

[Maoh 13]

How about learning japanese?, figuring your way around a auto translator will let you read a few novels but learning japanese will help you a lot trough your life (I mean, you'll be able to add a extra language to your resume!).

Not to mention it's a very fun language to learn, it's a pain in the ass sometimes but it's worth the try.

[BlackySensei 13]

How about learning japanese?, figuring your way around a auto translator will let you read a few novels but learning japanese will help you a lot trough your life (I mean, you'll be able to add a extra language to your resume!).

Not to mention it's a very fun language to learn, it's a pain in the ass sometimes but it's worth the try.

 

what do you think the best way to learn Japanese is?

Edited August 29, 2016 by BlackySensei

[BlackySensei 13]

Using a text hooker, Translation Aggregator and a translation program might work for you, refer to here for detailed instruction: https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/3/

 

I would also recommend taking some time to learn hiragana and katakana and some basic Japanese grammar, which honestly doesn't take long providing you spend some time each day and do it efficiently.

 

When I tried to download TA and the updater I got 404 errors.

[SableCrow 18]

The post I linked is fairly old and what I originally used for my set-up.

 

Try this guide: How to Install and Run Untranslated Visual Novel Text Hooking Tools - Visual Novel Talk - Fuwanovel Forums

 

it is a bit newer and the links seem more up to date.

[Maoh 13]

what do you think the best way to learn Japanese is?

 

I used a Ds game (yes, for real) called My Japanese coach which was a pretty good introduction to the language (game I didn't finished because of reasons), I also used some podcasts from NHK World and I've got a few japanese friends who help me with the questions that eventually arise, so far I can't just say I'm good at it but I can at the very least understand both oral and written japanese.

 

So yeah, just take something you like (reading, videogames, videos, audio) and search for something you can learn the language with it, as long as you keep on involving yourself with the language and searching for new material you'll eventually reach a very nice level, to become a pro you might want to undergo some courses or something like that though.

[BlackySensei 13]

The post I linked is fairly old and what I originally used for my set-up.

 

Try this guide: How to Install and Run Untranslated Visual Novel Text Hooking Tools - Visual Novel Talk - Fuwanovel Forums

 

it is a bit newer and the links seem more up to date.

It uses the same translators as VNR, but thanks for the help.

[BlackySensei 13]

I used a Ds game (yes, for real) called My Japanese coach which was a pretty good introduction to the language (game I didn't finished because of reasons), I also used some podcasts from NHK World and I've got a few japanese friends who help me with the questions that eventually arise, so far I can't just say I'm good at it but I can at the very least understand both oral and written japanese.

 

So yeah, just take something you like (reading, videogames, videos, audio) and search for something you can learn the language with it, as long as you keep on involving yourself with the language and searching for new material you'll eventually reach a very nice level, to become a pro you might want to undergo some courses or something like that though.

 

I've watched a couple videos and I think I have a basic idea of what I need to do. Is eroge written in kanji or should I just learn all 3 writing styles?

[Maoh 13]

I've watched a couple videos and I think I have a basic idea of what I need to do. Is eroge written in kanji or should I just learn all 3 writing styles?

 

Katakana is rarely used since it's reserved for foreign words, but kanji and hiragana are always used for both vns and... well, everything.

Some texts have furigana that's a little help to read kanjis which consist of small hiragana characters above/next to the kanji, like when it says 山 you'll see やま next/above it so you know it's "yama" (mountain), this makes it very easy to learn kanji as well btw.

[BlackySensei 13]

Katakana is rarely used since it's reserved for foreign words, but kanji and hiragana are always used for both vns and... well, everything.

Some texts have furigana that's a little help to read kanjis which consist of small hiragana characters above/next to the kanji, like when it says 山 you'll see やま next/above it so you know it's "yama" (mountain), this makes it very easy to learn kanji as well btw.

 

Time to spend the next 6 months learning everything I can lol thanks for the help.

[TakiMinase 148]

I've tried VNR, but the translations are always too spotty and barely ever make grammatical sense. Even when I try games that have both an English and Japanese version like KaraKara so I know what it is supposed to say, VNR's translations are still way off. I was wondering if anyone else found a better translator because it seems Lewdness will never be translated and I really liked Starless' art.

 

I feel you definitively ... JAST has said this months ago:

 

JAST DevLog ? Will you be translating Potential Ability? I have...

 

But they seem to be the slowest of all licensing companies and I am not expecting them to announce anything Empress in foreseeable future ... And I definitively am into the art of Sei Shoujo's newest VNs xD ... If you are also looking for very good art VNs like I do, take a look at these:

 

1. Anything Empress (you already knew that one, ahahaha, sorry XD)

2. https://vndb.org/p718 (Studio Jaren - I like their art very much, plus it's hypnotism fetish, I don't think we have any hypnotism VNs translated out there)

3. https://vndb.org/p2764 (Fudageki Soft - their VNs look very good but I don't know whether you like shota stuff and they seem to do some fetishy stuff)

4. https://vndb.org/v19465 and https://vndb.org/v16598 (Silky Sakura, I love the art but I think it's Netorare and I don't know whether you like that)

5. https://vndb.org/v10498 and https://vndb.org/v12335 and https://vndb.org/v17991 (Cattleya, I love the art but I think it's mother incest fetish mostly)

6. https://vndb.org/p491 (Tinkerbell, don't look at older VNs, their later titles look much much better and I am in love with the art, though beware, some of their VNs are quite ... tentaclish)

7. https://vndb.org/v14627 and https://vndb.org/v19169 (WendyBell, very good art and one of them is about cosplaying fetish)

8. https://vndb.org/p200 (CLOCKUP, very good art, and fetishy if I may say so, euphoria and eroge were translated by MG and Maggot Baits is coming someday but they have other very good VNs too)

 

There's more but I think this is enough, sorry for the long post, I just had to mention it because at the end of your post I saw "I really liked Starless' art" and thought that you were maybe like me looking for VNs with very good art, can't blame you for that, I am myself always captivated by art when I see a very good looking VN ...

 

As for Japanese, you better start learning it because machine translators are of no use if you yourself don't know how to make meaning of Japanese, machine translators can help you mostly to extract Kanji out of text and then you have to make the best possible meaning out of everything, I had that problem because Japanese is a very contextual language and machine translators cannot help you with that so you have to do it the hard way I myself am learning it for about several months now ...

[BlackySensei 13]

I feel you definitively ... JAST has said this months ago:

 

JAST DevLog ? Will you be translating Potential Ability? I have...

 

But they seem to be the slowest of all licensing companies and I am not expecting them to announce anything Empress in foreseeable future ... And I definitively am into the art of Sei Shoujo's newest VNs xD ... If you are also looking for very good art VNs like I do, take a look at these:

 

1. Anything Empress (you already knew that one, ahahaha, sorry XD)

2. https://vndb.org/p718 (Studio Jaren - I like their art very much, plus it's hypnotism fetish, I don't think we have any hypnotism VNs translated out there)

3. https://vndb.org/p2764 (Fudageki Soft - their VNs look very good but I don't know whether you like shota stuff and they seem to do some fetishy stuff)

4. https://vndb.org/v19465 and https://vndb.org/v16598 (Silky Sakura, I love the art but I think it's Netorare and I don't know whether you like that)

5. https://vndb.org/v10498 and https://vndb.org/v12335 and https://vndb.org/v17991 (Cattleya, I love the art but I think it's mother incest fetish mostly)

6. https://vndb.org/p491 (Tinkerbell, don't look at older VNs, their later titles look much much better and I am in love with the art, though beware, some of their VNs are quite ... tentaclish)

7. https://vndb.org/v14627 and https://vndb.org/v19169 (WendyBell, very good art and one of them is about cosplaying fetish)

8. https://vndb.org/p200 (CLOCKUP, very good art, and fetishy if I may say so, euphoria and eroge were translated by MG and Maggot Baits is coming someday but they have other very good VNs too)

 

There's more but I think this is enough, sorry for the long post, I just had to mention it because at the end of your post I saw "I really liked Starless' art" and thought that you were maybe like me looking for VNs with very good art, can't blame you for that, I am myself always captivated by art when I see a very good looking VN ...

 

As for Japanese, you better start learning it because machine translators are of no use if you yourself don't know how to make meaning of Japanese, machine translators can help you mostly to extract Kanji out of text and then you have to make the best possible meaning out of everything, I had that problem because Japanese is a very contextual language and machine translators cannot help you with that so you have to do it the hard way I myself am learning it for about several months now ...

 

These games might have me occupied for a few weeks if I can find a translation so thank you for all the advice on good games.(Long helpful posts are the best posts XD) Also how far have you gotten in several months and how much time do you usually put in a week? I saw somewhere that 2 hours a day is recommended, but that's way too much for me I think lol my attention span isn't the best.

[TakiMinase 148]

These games might have me occupied for a few weeks if I can find a translation so thank you for all the advice on good games.(Long helpful posts are the best posts XD) Also how far have you gotten in several months and how much time do you usually put in a week? I saw somewhere that 2 hours a day is recommended, but that's way too much for me I think lol my attention span isn't the best.

 

No problem man, I always love to help if possible As for translations, don't expect them anytime soon for any of the titles I listed, none of them are in the translation que by any of licensing companies (expect Maggot Baits) and the only way to read them now is to learn Japanese which is if I may say so - very laborous task ...

 

Well, to be honest with you, I didn't get very far with Japanese even though I started learning it months ago ... Or at least I am not satisfied with how much I have done so far ... In fact, before I started learning Japanese I had two months of just collecting (pirating I mean xD) random Japanese learning material which I obtained from torrents, language.ws and other places, so now I have like I think between 6 and 9 DVD5 Japanese learning material (I burned everything on DVDs in order to free space on HDD) ...

 

Then I spent a long period on deciding with what to go first, what textbook, what learning material, where, how and so on ... So right now I am using Rosetta Stone - Japanese Language (all 3 levels) and a textbook called Beginning Japanese by Tuttle Publishing (http://www.tuttlepublishing.com/books-by-country/beginning-japanese-textbook-paperback-with-disc) ... There are better books out there like Genki series which I didn't start examining yet but will some time in the future ... I have tons of material to study from but there's a major problem out there ...

 

How much time am I willing to put into it every day ... That's what everybody has a problem with ... Especially since it's learning out of a hobby, so it's not school related, you are doing it all by yourself which can be either very fun or very hard depending on what kind of person you are and what approach suits you the best ... Some people are more course-oriented and need somebody always for help and some people like me like to do everything by themselves and this way has it's downsides ...

 

So far, I have learned entire Kana (Hiragana+Katakana, both reading and writing though I think I shouldn't have bothered with the writing, you can learn it in a day or two if you are a hard-worker, I took a week on practicing readings and a month on practicing writing) and so far I have learned 200 Kanji, which is only a small proportion of 2100 and several more Kanji that belong to "Jojo" kanji (standard Kanji that every Japanese learn by the end of the middle school, yes, they are learning it for years themselves since Kindergarden) ... I didn't bother with the writing of Kanji, I only memorised the meanings and most of them I do know how they can be read (they all have 2 or more readings each) ...

 

Kanji is probably the most annoying thing you are ever going to have to bother in Japanese, since they are read per case-by-case basis, and at first it will seem like a never-ending game of memorising ... Though the best way to learn Kanji is to learn vocabulary in my opinion, don't try to memorise readings like a parrot (I tried to do that xD), it's not going to work, better learn vocabulary and through it you are always going to remember how some Kanji were read and it will even help you guess how they are read in some other cases, but there seems to be no hard-coded rule for reading them ... Which is annoying in itself ...

 

Other than that, I'd just like to mention to you that many don't think it's worth learning Japanese in order to read VNs, that's the opinion I stumbled a lot on Reddit and other places where it was discussed, I am not going to go into details for reasonings behind that but if you are like me then you will at least try to learn as much as possible (before giving up at some point if you find it boring after some time) ...

 

If you want more info, tell me, I am ready to share experience with some of the material I used so far

[BlackySensei 13]

No problem man, I always love to help if possible As for translations, don't expect them anytime soon for any of the titles I listed, none of them are in the translation que by any of licensing companies (expect Maggot Baits) and the only way to read them now is to learn Japanese which is if I may say so - very laborous task ...

 

Well, to be honest with you, I didn't get very far with Japanese even though I started learning it months ago ... Or at least I am not satisfied with how much I have done so far ... In fact, before I started learning Japanese I had two months of just collecting (pirating I mean xD) random Japanese learning material which I obtained from torrents, language.ws and other places, so now I have like I think between 6 and 9 DVD5 Japanese learning material (I burned everything on DVDs in order to free space on HDD) ...

 

Then I spent a long period on deciding with what to go first, what textbook, what learning material, where, how and so on ... So right now I am using Rosetta Stone - Japanese Language (all 3 levels) and a textbook called Beginning Japanese by Tuttle Publishing (http://www.tuttlepublishing.com/books-by-country/beginning-japanese-textbook-paperback-with-disc) ... There are better books out there like Genki series which I didn't start examining yet but will some time in the future ... I have tons of material to study from but there's a major problem out there ...

 

How much time am I willing to put into it every day ... That's what everybody has a problem with ... Especially since it's learning out of a hobby, so it's not school related, you are doing it all by yourself which can be either very fun or very hard depending on what kind of person you are and what approach suits you the best ... Some people are more course-oriented and need somebody always for help and some people like me like to do everything by themselves and this way has it's downsides ...

 

So far, I have learned entire Kana (Hiragana+Katakana, both reading and writing though I think I shouldn't have bothered with the writing, you can learn it in a day or two if you are a hard-worker, I took a week on practicing readings and a month on practicing writing) and so far I have learned 200 Kanji, which is only a small proportion of 2100 and several more Kanji that belong to "Jojo" kanji (standard Kanji that every Japanese learn by the end of the middle school, yes, they are learning it for years themselves since Kindergarden) ... I didn't bother with the writing of Kanji, I only memorised the meanings and most of them I do know how they can be read (they all have 2 or more readings each) ...

 

Kanji is probably the most annoying thing you are ever going to have to bother in Japanese, since they are read per case-by-case basis, and at first it will seem like a never-ending game of memorising ... Though the best way to learn Kanji is to learn vocabulary in my opinion, don't try to memorise readings like a parrot (I tried to do that xD), it's not going to work, better learn vocabulary and through it you are always going to remember how some Kanji were read and it will even help you guess how they are read in some other cases, but there seems to be no hard-coded rule for reading them ... Which is annoying in itself ...

 

Other than that, I'd just like to mention to you that many don't think it's worth learning Japanese in order to read VNs, that's the opinion I stumbled a lot on Reddit and other places where it was discussed, I am not going to go into details for reasonings behind that but if you are like me then you will at least try to learn as much as possible (before giving up at some point if you find it boring after some time) ...

 

If you want more info, tell me, I am ready to share experience with some of the material I used so far

 

I found both genki here genki i+ii - integrated elementary japanese course (pdf, mp3) - Download - 4shared - Kitami Prescott and the download didn't give me a virus (I hope XD) and I already know the time I'll put it won't even be close to 2 hours so thanks for not making me feel lazy lol. I'll probably either get bored or realize that this is impossible for me to do without putting more, but I'd still like to try. Machine translators seem to hate me and all of them are giving me the same patchy translations now (I've tried like 4, but they all seem to use the same dictionaries). Also I found a place to download rosetta stone 1-5, but it takes forever to download so I'll probably stop at 2 and find out if I'll be able to keep up with it.

[TakiMinase 148]

Risetta is hard to find normally because it wasn't popular and even I had trouble downloading it ... Though there should be only 3 levels, not 5 O_O ... Did you mean 5 parts? There's only 3 levels of Rosetta and you need the cracked Rosetta program for it, I got all of it through language.ws site ... Though at the time I didn't find any torrents for it, I think the Russians might have it so it's possible to find it maybe on rutracker ... But it's questionable if it's seeded ...

 

Though be warned, Rosetta will not give you any kind of proficency, better stick with Genki, Rosetta is more to help you stand up on your feet, it's not a real help when learning Japanese because it doesn't explain anything, it just basically functions like a slideshow and a quiz ... The only reason I am using it is because I find it fun xD You probably won't get bored with it like with regular books but on the other hand, it's questionable what you are going to learn if you don't use any other follow up material ... That's why I use Rosetta simultaniously with other material ...

 

About the link you have sent me for Genki, I think you should be fine, although be warned that there are two editions of the book, see if it's a 2nd edition, I think that's the latest ... This is where I got everything Genki:

 

Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese - Japan, My Love (It has all latest + CDs and other stuff)

???????? - Japan, My Love (video files for Genki Books)

Rosetta Stone Japanese - Japan, My Love (It seems that level 3 links died from 4share but if you want I can upload them for you somewhere, I still have Rosetta burned on a DVD)

[BlackySensei 13]

Risetta is hard to find normally because it wasn't popular and even I had trouble downloading it ... Though there should be only 3 levels, not 5 O_O ... Did you mean 5 parts? There's only 3 levels of Rosetta and you need the cracked Rosetta program for it, I got all of it through language.ws site ... Though at the time I didn't find any torrents for it, I think the Russians might have it so it's possible to find it maybe on rutracker ... But it's questionable if it's seeded ...

 

Though be warned, Rosetta will not give you any kind of proficency, better stick with Genki, Rosetta is more to help you stand up on your feet, it's not a real help when learning Japanese because it doesn't explain anything, it just basically functions like a slideshow and a quiz ... The only reason I am using it is because I find it fun xD You probably won't get bored with it like with regular books but on the other hand, it's questionable what you are going to learn if you don't use any other follow up material ... That's why I use Rosetta simultaniously with other material ...

 

About the link you have sent me for Genki, I think you should be fine, although be warned that there are two editions of the book, see if it's a 2nd edition, I think that's the latest ... This is where I got everything Genki:

 

Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese - Japan, My Love (It has all latest + CDs and other stuff)

???????? - Japan, My Love (video files for Genki Books)

Rosetta Stone Japanese - Japan, My Love (It seems that level 3 links died from 4share but if you want I can upload them for you somewhere, I still have Rosetta burned on a DVD)

 

Microsoft edge keeps saying that 4shared has Trojans.. and Rosetta looks so good in the ads though XD. Also I was planning on learning kanji first, but now that you said genki and Rosetta is a good combo I'll try that so thanks for saving me a month of work lol. I found a Russian site with Rosetta, but I could only download two parts a day so it was going to take forever. I think the genki you gave me might be first edition too or am I just missing something?

[TakiMinase 148]

Microsoft edge keeps saying that 4shared has Trojans.. and Rosetta looks so good in the ads though XD. Also I was planning on learning kanji first, but now that you said genki and Rosetta is a good combo I'll try that so thanks for saving me a month of work lol. I found a Russian site with Rosetta, but I could only download two parts a day so it was going to take forever. I think the genki you gave me might be first edition too or am I just missing something?

 

I totally forgot about 4shared, sorry, I got it whitelisted some time ago so I totally forgot it's listed as a virus on browsers, I rarely even use it so I didn't bother checking, don't download if you think it's suspicious, I usually try examining the file before executing it and if it's small enough send it to virustotal.com on analysis ... Though many times it's false alarm, I remember having huge problems with cracks for some Japanese Hentai VNs so I always have to make a judgement myself on these issues whether something is safe or not xD ...

 

Also, sorry again, I downloaded genki from the link I sent you and you are definitively right, it's the first edition O_O I thought they put an updated version but no ... I got my copy from somewhere else ...

 

You can grab the updated version from language.ws, I checked and it's the right one, published in 2011:

 

GENKI I - An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese [second Edition] - Language.ws

Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese II [second Edition] - Language.ws

 

I think language.ws requires an account creation to see the links though I am not sure, I am registered there for some time.

 

Also, there's a torrent on rutracker for Genki and it's seeded very well I think:

 

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4674046

 

As for Rosetta, watch out what are you downloading and send everything to virustotal, especially the program itself, it shouldn't be very big, only the files for the language are weighting in several GBs ... You could try using VPN and switching on dynamic IPs if they limit your download ... But maybe it's not even worth it, if you don't make it send me a PM and I'll see what I can do.

 

As for good combination that you mentioned, don't take my word for face value, I am also just testing what works best, many people are vetoing Rosetta because it's simply not the best tool for learning Japanese and many people just stick with better courses ... You can find a lot of stuff on language.ws for Japanese if you are interested, I browse there all the time ...

 

As for Kanji, there are specific books that are dealing on that particular matter and you have the famous Remembering the Kanji series, try looking for it, I heard good stuff about it but I personally found it a little bit hard for me (it requires a lot of imagination on the part of the learner, use of mnemonics and it's good but not everybody can use it) ... If you need good software for testing your memorisation of kanji - good luck with that one, I am still looking for a perfect solution to that problem xD Though so far the best one I found is Obenkyo and it's for Android tablets and telephones, you can't use it on PC sadly ... But it's a very fun application to learn Kanji, I found it quite well made ... I like to test myself every day with it using it's quiz style of input ... There's also Anki but I didn't like it, and apparently many use it but it's also something that I consider "not for everyone" ...

[BlackySensei 13]

We've returned two months later with no progress XD.

[TakiMinase 148]

We've returned two months later with no progress XD.

 

Two months is still too early to call it "no progress" ^_^ With japanese, you might need two years to get some progress

[BlackySensei 13]

Thanks for the support I'm still learning the basics, but hopefully once I get more breaks I'll have more time

[TakiMinase 148]

Thanks for the support I'm still learning the basics, but hopefully once I get more breaks I'll have more time

 

No problem, I like to support people in things that i also like ... I am also on a pause right now, real life studdies have taken the tool on me ... But I still know some basics that I got earlier, I am surprised how I remembered some kanji very well and even know their readings even though I didn't try to memorize them that hard. I am fairly confident that I might be able to learn it till N3 level in a year or two.

[BlackySensei 13]

Could you please upload rosetta stone for me and others? I'm working my way through genki ii now and Microsoft edge and windows defender are making it a hassle just to download the setup. If you'd like I could tell you how to upload to mega and could post the link for a premium downloader that works with it.

[TakiMinase 148]

Could you please upload rosetta stone for me and others? I'm working my way through genki ii now and Microsoft edge and windows defender are making it a hassle just to download the setup. If you'd like I could tell you how to upload to mega and could post the link for a premium downloader that works with it.

 

My upload speed is shit xD ... It would tire me out to wait ages for it to get uploaded, I could upload it on GDrive but it would take me ages to finish uploading it ... I think it's around ~1.5 GB with all 3 levels of Japanese that Rosetta provides, Rosetta program itself isn't that big but the language learning materials are big in size ... These are links on Turbobit:

 

Japanese Level 1:

??????? ???? RSjapanese1.part1.rar (200,00 ??) | Turbobit.net

??????? ???? RSjapanese1.part2.rar (200,00 ??) | Turbobit.net

??????? ???? RSjapanese1.part3.rar (134,03 ??) | Turbobit.net

 

Japanese Level 2:

??????? ???? RSjapanese2.part1.rar (200,00 ??) | Turbobit.net

??????? ???? RSjapanese2.part2.rar (200,00 ??) | Turbobit.net

http://turbobit.net/eav5d9a536kq.html

 

Japanese Level 3:

http://turbobit.net/ipam0ntyizub.html

http://turbobit.net/2rf6uxz8h7lo.html

http://turbobit.net/5g5xw71toimg.html

 

I used these links when I was grabbing it back in the day, you'd need to find one of those leecher sites that provides Turbobit premium, I know I found one then and used it to download everything ... I could upload everything on Gdrive but for that you'd have to wait some time when I have free time, and I don't know when that would happen, uploading 1.5 GB on my 50 KB/s is a daunting challenge xD

 

Did you check torrent and other sites? There might be somewhere else as well, I know I found it hard at that time but there might still be available somewhere ...

 

You have a torrent here: https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5417870 but I don't know how well seeded it is, try the torrent from here first, if you manage to find seeders then you won't have to bother with turbobit