R-18 Otome games (Mature) Discussion.

[Stoopet 10]

So i was browsing this blog made by an otome gamer, and came across this post where she rants and complains about the content in R-18 Otome games.

 

First, for those who don't know what an Otome game.

It's basically a Visual novel targeted at the female audience, where you date different guys and go through different routes and endings.

 

Read the post before going any further:

tl;dr: R-18 otome games for women «

 

I actually found that post hilarious and immature, it seems she's underage or something, People need to be 18+ to play R-18 games.

 

So here's what she complains about and here's my opinions.

 

Heroine Getting raped

First of all, i think rape is a common theme in any R-18 material, But since this is an Otome game, where you have lots of choices and lots of routes, blame no one but yourself for picking the wrong one. not to mention there is a fairly big audience for this who have rape fantasies.

 

Heroine getting abused & humiliated

Again, the game has different routes and options. and again, there's obviously an audience who likes this kind of stuff.

 

Heroine getting sexed up by things other than the guy’s ding dong

Someone apparently never heard of foreplay or oral.

 

Heroine getting drugged & turning into a sex doll

I said it before and i'm gonna say it again, the game gives you alot of routes and options, you picked this one, deal with it. there's the target audience for this.

 

Heroine’s voice being louder & prouder than the guy whose route I’m on

Excuse me, but do you want the guy to scream or cry while he's sexing you?

 

Sticking it in the pooper

Now this one is really silly, i actually sat there and laughed for hours at her prudeness. Anal sex is something you see everywhere and i don't see the problem with it, if you don't like it you could just skip it or something.

 

Heroine constantly saying no no stop even when it’s clear both parties are mutually accepting of screwing each other

That's just a porno thing (It exists in real life too), you're playing a porno game, and i don't see how this is a problem at all.

 

Heroine being treated like a whore if god forbid she actually enjoy sex

I have mixed feelings about this one.

guys and male characters are always called perverts and stuff when they barely fantasize, so i guess it's some kind of equality thing going on here? i dunno.

 

The amount of happy endings being overshadowed by the amount of bad endings

You either barely played any otome games, or you forgot the fact that you are playing an otome game, since they're usually filled with drama.

 

Eroscene where all the clothes are on

Lol...I'm not even gonna talk on this one.

 

Well there you have it guys, don't get me wrong, she is spot on some points, but the fact that she's complaining about something that is obviously not targeted at her is just plain annoying, it's a R-18 game, you should expect stuff beforehand.

 

Anyways, girls (or guys), what do you think? Write your opinion below.

Do you think she's right or wrong? what do you think she's right about and what do you think she's wrong about? Let the discussion begin!

[Caelistas 12]

I think.... she needs to get off the damn computer and back into the kitchen.

 

 

 

 

Seriously, i know about Otome games but i didn't know girls atually played those, thought people with a certain fetish played them.

[Yachi 13]

This is some of the funniest stuff ive read in a long time lol

[Haika 12]

ok then... any writer who calls anal sex 'sticking it in the pooper' doesn't deserve to be taken seriously in my book, but I took a look over what was written anyway.

 

I think the biggest issue here is that she isn't thinking about the culture from where these games come from. Like the opening poster here mentions, there are target audiences for these types of fetishes and scenes in any game. Japan especially seems to have a strong sense of rape and bondage in their porn. And the idea of women being thought of as not wanting sex or they are a slut is pretty much the definition of what the word slut means. It's just that in some cultures that word gets more or less negative connotation than in others. Slut, Whore, Bitch, all have different levels of meaning, and can just be a general sense of 'dirty talk'. Like swear words, they are only really as bad as the culture and perception of the people experiencing them.

 

This is a prime example of why I don't read news articles or watch any news reports on tv. The topics and issues brought up usually are swayed by the reporter who is uninformed to the point of blatant stupidity(if not totally making the story up).

Edited May 18, 2012 by Haika

[Grimsha 10]

Yeah.. The author is a bit of a wank.

 

The comments are all abit amusing in the place where it was written.

[Stoopet 10]

ok then... any writer who calls anal sex 'sticking it in the pooper' doesn't deserve to be taken seriously in my book, but I took a look over what was written anyway.

 

I think the biggest issue here is that she isn't thinking about the culture from where these games come from. Like the opening poster here mentions, there are target audiences for these types of fetishes and scenes in any game. Japan especially seems to have a strong sense of rape and bondage in their porn. And the idea of women being thought of as not wanting sex or they are a slut is pretty much the definition of what the word slut means. It's just that in some cultures that word gets more or less negative connotation than in others. Slut, Whore, Bitch, all have different levels of meaning, and can just be a general sense of 'dirty talk'. Like swear words, they are only really as bad as the culture and perception of the people experiencing them.

 

This is a prime example of why I don't read news articles or watch any news reports on tv. The topics and issues brought up usually are swayed by the reporter who is uninformed to the point of blatant stupidity(if not totally making the story up).

 

Same here, and to top it off, she said it reminds her of BL (Boys love, meaning yaoi), now last time i checked, there was no rule saying that Anal sex started in yaoi or it only works in yaoi. (It's funny if you think about it, there's only a small handful of hardcore yaoi with graphic scenes compared to all ages or R-15 yaoi, while Anal sex is a standar feature in most eroge's. same goes for real life).

 

Exactly, but the even bigger issue is that she obviously isn't of the target audience, it says You need to be at least 18 to play R-18 games, and she's obviously underage or something. Japanese developers make stuff that appeals to the majority, they're trying to make profit while pleasing their fans.

and about the "dirty talk", well like i said, she's underage, she can't comprehend mature stuff.

 

 

I think.... she needs to get off the damn computer and back into the kitchen.

 

 

 

 

Seriously, i know about Otome games but i didn't know girls atually played those, thought people with a certain fetish played them.

 

They actually play them. Well the japanese at least. and not to sound harsh or something, but she, as a foreigner, has no right to criticize other cultures and their preferences. Funny thing is, most of my female friends read japanese and play R-18 otome games and not once have they complained.

 

Yeah.. The author is a bit of a wank.

 

The comments are all abit amusing in the place where it was written.

 

Yeah, the comments are stunningly immature.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Stoopet

[Bane Doyle 10]

The only things I really (sort of) agree with are:

 

1) Rape subtext when it isn't rape. I know it is a cultural thing, but that sounds kinda... creepy to me. It comes with the territory though, what does she expect? Not going into rape fantasies, that's just fine to me, and rape is common in nearly every 18+ game from Japan so I have learned to cope. Heck, this doesn't even bother me at this point, I am used to it.

 

2) The girl being louder than the guys. I am playing a game and fucking guys as a girl, I wanna hear the guys NOT "ME"! This sounds like her only logical and real complaint, I mean, eroge for guys has female voices and no male usually for sex scenes, why it is not reversed for otome games? I don't expect them to be loud and screaming, but I don't want to not hear them and to hear my character screaming in my ear. It kinda... breaks the mood.

 

I won't comment on anything else.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Bane Doyle

[Dubs 13]

The only thing I actually agree with her on is this part

 

Heroine constantly saying no no stop even when it’s clear both parties are mutually accepting of screwing each other.

 

That pisses me off to beyond a limit.

 

But the rest of her posts seem pretty pointless, Rape is a part of every day life, People just choose to ignore it like it isn't there just because it isn't happening to them, Also she goes to the point to complain that she doesn't like the girl getting off on anything but a guys dick.. Seriously when playing a Japanese R-18 game this stuff is pretty much going to happen 9 times out of ten, Wtf does she expect.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Dubs

[Haika 12]

It's possible she's underage, but the feeling I get from the article is more of a clueless wife who married her first crush and doesn't experiment or explore porn on the net much.

 

The Yaoi thing seems to be what any opponent of Anal sex brings up with no support for the argument. I'm comfortable enough as a straight male to say that anal sex between a man and a woman can be extremely hot to me. It just seems like the writer is again talking about something she doesn't understand.

 

Of course, only men could possibly enjoy something like Anal, therefore it's gotta be yaoi. Since you know, women don't get pleasure from rape, bondage, humiliation, or anything like that, they just have poopers. /sarcasm. -.-

[OneManArmy 82]

I'm comfortable enough as a straight male to say that anal sex between a man and a woman can be extremely hot to me.

You definitely have to play the route of Nekoko; Yume Miru Kasuri. But yeah, anal can be hot period.

[Stoopet 10]

The only thing I actually agree with her on is this part

 

 

 

That pisses me off to beyond a limit.

 

But the rest of her posts seem pretty pointless, Rape is a part of every day life, People just choose to ignore it like it isn't there just because it isn't happening to them, Also she goes to the point to complain that she doesn't like the girl getting off on anything but a guys dick.. Seriously when playing a Japanese R-18 game this stuff is pretty much going to happen 9 times out of ten, Wtf does she expect.

 

It's silly sometimes but you can think of it as a porno thing, you know, with the girls being embarassed and all she says no but the fact that it's mutual is still there.

 

 

The only things I really (sort of) agree with are:

 

1) Rape subtext when it isn't rape. I know it is a cultural thing, but that sounds kinda... creepy to me. It comes with the territory though, what does she expect? Not going into rape fantasies, that's just fine to me, and rape is common in nearly every 18+ game from Japan so I have learned to cope. Heck, this doesn't even bother me at this point, I am used to it.

 

2) The girl being louder than the guys. I am playing a game and fucking guys as a girl, I wanna hear the guys NOT "ME"! This sounds like her only logical and real complaint, I mean, eroge for guys has female voices and no male usually for sex scenes, why it is not reversed for otome games? I don't expect them to be loud and screaming, but I don't want to not hear them and to hear my character screaming in my ear. It kinda... breaks the mood.

 

The rest seems kinda nitpicky, especially the sexual deviation stuff. Yes, you may like like it, but it's an 18+ game with multiple options. What else do you expect honey? Skip the scenes if they bother you that much, do research before getting into the routes, check for this stuff.

 

I hear ya man. But:

 

1) every R-18 visual novel has at least one rape scene or one rape route, and most of the time You get to choose wheter to pick it or not. There's also the walkthroughs and character profiles that are put up on the official site of the game, not to mention the manual that comes with the game when you buy it.

2)Well if you think about it, men don't often moan in sex, well as far as i'm concerned at least, but look at it this way, Female seiyuu are used to voice act in R-18 visual novels so they're used to such stuff, and the fact that there's a limited numbers of Otome games means that the male seiyuu is apparently unexperienced.

 

It's possible she's underage, but the feeling I get from the article is more of a clueless wife who married her first crush and doesn't experiment or explore porn on the net much.

 

The Yaoi thing seems to be what any opponent of Anal sex brings up with no support for the argument. I'm comfortable enough as a straight male to say that anal sex between a man and a woman can be extremely hot to me. It just seems like the writer is again talking about something she doesn't understand.

 

Of course, only men could possibly enjoy something like Anal, therefore it's gotta be yaoi. Since you know, women don't get pleasure from rape, bondage, humiliation, or anything like that, they just have poopers. /sarcasm. -.-

 

It might be that, but i doubt she even has a husband, you don't need the internet or porn for such common knowledge if you ask me.

 

Anal sex IS hot ,And like i said before, Anal sex is a standar feature in Eroges and pretty much any R-18 material due to its popularity and high demand, even without that, it's something couples practice daily in their sexual life, it's just that some people can't be honest about it, but at least they DO NOT bash it like the artice writer did, and the fact that she mentioned yaoi is just hilarious, i'll explain to you why.

 

-BL (Yaoi) is a genre that focuses mostly on MalexMale romance, and most of it doesn't contain graphic scenes due to the fact that its mainly targeted at the female audience.

-The fact that Yaoi with sex scenes is limited in numbers just makes her post extremely hilarious and dumb on many levels.

-If we want to get real here, I've seen alot of statistics about percentages of anal sex, and apparently, most of them show that anal sex is practiced ten times or more among Heteros than homosexual men, Lesbians also practice it, so the more i think about it the more i realize that article writer is the most ignorant human planet earth has ever known, and trust me, You don't even need statistics for this, it's all common sense and knowledge. let's also not forget that many gay men prefer oral and prefer not to engage in anal activities, that, coupled with the fact homosexuality in general (Including homosexual women)makes up like 2-5% of the world's population proves that the article writer needs to do her homework or occupy the kitchen or do something fitting for her old fashioned, ignorant ways.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Stoopet

[OneManArmy 82]

and most of it doesn't contain graphic scenes due to the fact that its mainly targeted at the female audience

Dunno about this. I mean most men like lesbians, why shouldn't women like gays as well? And you've a lot of yuri visual novels with a lot of h pictures, should be the same for yaoi stuff. With this said, I didn't play any yaoi visual novels up to now but I'm planning to play at least one.

[Stoopet 10]

Dunno about this. I mean most men like lesbians, why shouldn't women like gays as well? And you've a lot of yuri visual novels with a lot of h pictures, should be the same for yaoi stuff. With this said, I didn't play any yaoi visual novels up to now but I'm planning to play at least one.

 

No what i'm trying to say, they're considering women's preferences, Men and women have different tastes, most women prefer something romantic with a bit of melodrama, while men prefer something entertaining with steamy scenes.

The thing about men liking lesbians or women liking gays is just some random BS you see on the internet, granted, as a man, i do like see'ing two hot women at it, but everyone has their preferences and each gender has its unique tastes.

But this is Yaoi we're talking about, It's made specifically to appeal to the female audience, have you watched any yaoi anime yet? They have no sexual content whatsoever, even the OVA's, everything is implied and barely shown (With the exception of two old ones, Sensitive pornograph and Enzai which had very graphic scenes and horrible sales. nothing similar was produced since then), so there's a difference.

 

P,S basically what i'm saying is, Porn-like yaoi does exist, but not really apperciated by fans, very few people enjoy such stuff, which is also one of the reasons you don't see it often.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Stoopet

[Haika 12]

You definitely have to play the route of Nekoko; Yume Miru Kasuri. But yeah, anal can be hot period.

 

https://erogegames.com/eroge-visual-novels/eroge-general-talk/444-yume-miru-kusuri-discussion/

 

I have, though that game was far more about issues like drugs than sexual activities. Though I must admit a certain h-scene image on the vndb is what pushed me to try the game. Anal sex aside, I still love her theme and some of the random awesomeness in that storyline.

 

Course my playthrough of the other routes in that game got cut off by a hospital emergency(hard to play a VN when you're in pain and have nurses checking on you randomly every hour). I probably should get back to it and try and finish it sometime soon.

 

But that's enough Derailing for me. As to the Yuri and Yaoi discussion: I don't think the intent of the writer was to use BL or Yaoi as the genre of media that is aimed at females with little to no sexual imagery, I think she just meant it as a general homosexuality comment. I think it again relates to the culture around sexuality in general and how we accept certain things. For whatever reasons, Yuri as a preference is accepted by both men and women more than Yaoi is. Even if the whole BL, Gay, Homosexuality, or whatever you call it is given a higher stigmata than lesbian acts. I've known straight women who admit to being turned on by lesbian videos and the like, but can you imagine straight guys saying the same about yaoi? There's a psychological gender thing going on here that produces more homophobia when talking about male acts than about female acts.

 

Heck, even earlier in this thread, I felt the need to declare myself straight before saying I enjoy some anal sex scenes. That just shows how much the culture I live in still effects me, as much as I may dislike it.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Haika

[Stoopet 10]

I said she should look into the routes before playing, you pretty much just agreed with me...

But say you like a character (either gender, either game type), REALLY like them, but find out their route has something you can't stomach or get past. That... kinda sucks.

 

Overall there isn't really a limited number of otome games (except in English), but I don't know how common 18+ ones are so you could be right in that respect.

 

And you haven't talked to the yaoi fangirls I know, they usually just... SKIP over the relationship and drama half the time. They can be as bad as male yuri fans, while the later will (and I have known guys who do this) avoid mindess yuri in turn, that isn't gender specific. I like mindless porn as much as the next person but both genders do this and it annoys me when certain people ALWAYS do this. (this is why so much yaoi fanfiction without any logic or plot exists)

 

Yup that's what i said too ;p

 

Yeah i get what you mean, But on other hand, if a female has a rape fantasy and really likes a specific characters and he actually rapes her, wouldn't that be a win situation for that specific group? People could always try another game.

 

There is 2 in english, that's almost non-existant, but if you compare the number of Otome games to other forms of Visual novels then yes, they are very limited, i'd give you the link of the Data base if you want.

 

Also like Haika said, It's a psychological gender thing, gay males aren't as accepted as gay females, it's unfortunate, but it's the truth.

 

Dude, there's a big difference when it comes down to the female market of the different countries, Yaoi was invented by Japan, not by us foreigners, If you know some yaoi fangirl who skips the story and drama and goes for the graphic scenes then she's...uhh..."unique" i guess? Because as far as i'm concerned and as far as my knowledge goes, 80%-90% of the yaoi of any format is more Romance/Drama oriented, you might find few of them with implied sex scenes or heavily censored, but they're always brief.

Then there's the PWP (Porn without Plot) ones, As i mentioned before, the only ones of this genre are Sensitive pornograph and Enzai, which both are more than 5 years old, they did horribly in sales (Because most Yaoi fangirls don't prefer graphic stuff) and they probably decided not to produce something similar to this again.

 

On the other hand, about Yuri, as Haika mentioned before, it's a gender psychological thing, You see Yuri sex scenes in alot of Straight eroge games (In addition to Yuri-only games), but do you see any Yaoi in Otome games or Smutty shoujo mangas? Nope. it's a bit complicated and hard to explain.

 

https://erogegames.com/eroge-visual-novels/eroge-general-talk/444-yume-miru-kusuri-discussion/

 

I have, though that game was far more about issues like drugs than sexual activities. Though I must admit a certain h-scene image on the vndb is what pushed me to try the game. Anal sex aside, I still love her theme and some of the random awesomeness in that storyline.

 

Course my playthrough of the other routes in that game got cut off by a hospital emergency(hard to play a VN when you're in pain and have nurses checking on you randomly every hour). I probably should get back to it and try and finish it sometime soon.

 

But that's enough Derailing for me. As to the Yuri and Yaoi discussion: I don't think the intent of the writer was to use BL or Yaoi as the genre of media that is aimed at females with little to no sexual imagery, I think she just meant it as a general homosexuality comment. I think it again relates to the culture around sexuality in general and how we accept certain things. For whatever reasons, Yuri as a preference is accepted by both men and women more than Yaoi is. Even if the whole BL, Gay, Homosexuality, or whatever you call it is given a higher stigmata than lesbian acts. I've known straight women who admit to being turned on by lesbian videos and the like, but can you imagine straight guys saying the same about yaoi? There's a psychological gender thing going on here that produces more homophobia when talking about male acts than about female acts.

 

Heck, even earlier in this thread, I felt the need to declare myself straight before saying I enjoy some anal sex scenes. That just shows how much the culture I live in still effects me, as much as I may dislike it.

 

 

I completely agree with you, you pretty much said everything that needs to be said, thank you.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Stoopet

[Bane Doyle 10]

-Link Redacted_

 

-I- am a girl. And I know what -I- would like in an 18+ otome game.

We're not all guys here.

 

You can have your opinion honey, that is fine. But not all girls agree with you. Don't assume we will, please?

For the record, since you brought the game up, I love Hakuoki.

 

Though, reading over this topic, I don't think some of these comments are called for. Especially the sexist ones. But I am outnumbered here, I won't fight what I am going to be buried in.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Bane Doyle

[ultimecea 22]

urm...

was it me or its getting out of hand here???

anyway...

if anyone is offended the scene then you shouldn't have involved with this kind of game in the first place..

not all guys would play the game just for the scene...

most of the guys her are infatuated with heroine's route and their character than their special scene although we can call it a bonus~

and yuri are not just targeted for the guys....

nor yaoi are aimed for the girls...

it just depends on the consumer whether they wanted a romance/fantasy with bishonens or a dreamlike adventure with bishoujos~

and bout the anal sex....

its not something uncommon now days..

even if you date it back a thousand years ago..

i mean..

if you ever poop...you'll get what i mean~

[Stoopet 10]

-Link Redacted_

 

-I- am a girl. And I know what -I- would like in an 18+ otome game.

We're not all guys here.

 

You can have your opinion honey, that is fine. But not all girls agree with you. Don't assume we will, please?

For the record, since you brought the game up, I love Hakuoki.

 

Though, reading over this topic, I don't think some of these comments are called for. Especially the sexist ones. But I am outnumbered here, I won't fight what I am going to be buried in.

 

No one said anything about you being a girl or a guy or that girls shouldn't comment.

 

Yes i have my opinion, it just so happens that the majority has the same opinion as mine.

I'm not saying you should agree with me, this is an open discussion, and most of what i'm saying are just facts that any long term otaku knows.

 

Hakuoki is an all-age otome game, not an R-18.

 

But like i said, We're foreigners here, We have no hand in whatever Japan produces or whatever they prefer, and they don't care about We foreign fans prefer. i'm basing my views on the japanese otaku culture and industry (Although there isn't a that big of a difference).

 

Could you please point out the sexist comments? i don't remember see'ing anything sexist on here since that's a whole other subject. And we're not fighting here, we're discussing.

 

 

urm...

was it me or its getting out of hand here???

anyway...

if anyone is offended the scene then you shouldn't have involved with this kind of game in the first place..

not all guys would play the game just for the scene...

most of the guys her are infatuated with heroine's route and their character than their special scene although we can call it a bonus~

and yuri are not just targeted for the guys....

nor yaoi are aimed for the girls...

it just depends on the consumer whether they wanted a romance/fantasy with bishonens or a dreamlike adventure with bishoujos~

and bout the anal sex....

its not something uncommon now days..

even if you date it back a thousand years ago..

i mean..

if you ever poop...you'll get what i mean~

 

No it's not just you, I also think we're going off-topic.

You see there are types of Visual novels out there, There is the All-age one where you date the heroines with no H-scenes, which are the least common.

There's also The regular ones, You know, with the Story and H-scenes. Which are fairly common.

And there is also the H-scene focused ones, what we call a "nukige", Where it's mostly sex-oriented. which are the most common ones.

 

And i'd like to point out something else, Yaoi is targeted at the female audience, specifically fujoshi's, that's the main target, although there are rare expections where a guy watches it. But then there is Bara, Gay manga for men, but it's almost extinct.

As for Yuri, It's target is also female (See wikipedia) it was originally intended for females (It still is) But it proved popular among males aswell. So yeah.

 

Well like most users here said, Anal sex is not uncommon, infact it's very standar and couples practice it regularly, so there's no need for prudeness.

 

Anyway guys, we're going off-topic here, Please stay on topic and let the discussion continue

Edited May 18, 2012 by Stoopet

[Bane Doyle 10]

No no no, originally I had a link there and was replying to the original poster off forum, since she had read this and I couldn't get hold of her elsewhere, (of course someone who knows my Tumblr then sent me hate asks, but it wasn't her, she was very nice about the ordeal when I DID get hold of her. I sent you a PM thinking it was her but it is quite clear that it was one of her FANS instead taking the ordeal too far) that was not aimed at you or anyone else in this thread.

 

Hence -Link Redacted-

I didn't want to make her look worse than she is, she is actually very nice.

 

I think.... she needs to get off the damn computer and back into the kitchen.

This is the sexist comment I was referring to. 8| No matter how you look at it, that's... that is sexist. Even if it was made as a joke.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Bane Doyle

[Stoopet 10]

No no no, originally I had a link there and was replying to the original poster off forum, since she had read this and I couldn't get hold of her elsewhere, (of course someone who knows my Tumblr then sent me hate asks, but it wasn't her, she was very nice about the ordeal when I DID get hold of her) that was not aimed at you or anyone else in this thread.

 

 

This is the sexist comment I was referring to. 8| No matter how you look at it, that's... that is sexist.

 

Oh my bad.

And yes, i think that is very sexist, but when you think about it, that article writer is giving women a bad name, she's basically saying R-18 otome games shouldn't exist and girls shouldn't play them, that's also very offending, don't you think?

 

But What Caelistas meant is that she doesn't deserve to use the computer since she's old fashioned and prude, if you know what i mean.

[Bane Doyle 10]

^Just as I edit that post to clarify too! XD

Edited bit up there: (I sent you a PM thinking it was her but it is quite clear that it was one of her FANS instead taking the ordeal too far.)

Hence -Link Redacted-

I didn't want to make her look worse than she is, she is actually very nice.

End edited bit.

 

I think she was getting at "this is what I PERSONALLY want, not what I think should happen", as she elaborated to me a bit more. She really isn't that bad, just zealous. Nothing wrong with that, and while I highly disagree with her I respect her opinions. She isn't saying they shouldn't exist, she just wants OTHER KINDS that she can't find to exist as well, as she stated to me.

 

I don't think she is prudish, just really annoyed and kinda picky (again, nothing wrong with that), but I see where you might get that meaning from the quote then.

 

I wish I had the conversation we had saved, Tumblr doesn't save asks when you answer them privately, and I know my word on its own is rather weak. I think most of this is just a large amount of misinterpretation of a poorly worded blog post.

[ultimecea 22]

No one said anything about you being a girl or a guy or that girls shouldn't comment.

 

Yes i have my opinion, it just so happens that the majority has the same opinion as mine.

I'm not saying you should agree with me, this is an open discussion, and most of what i'm saying are just facts that any long term otaku knows.

 

Hakuoki is an all-age otome game, not an R-18.

 

But like i said, We're foreigners here, We have no hand in whatever Japan produces or whatever they prefer, and they don't care about We foreign fans prefer. i'm basing my views on the japanese otaku culture and industry (Although there isn't a that big of a difference).

 

Could you please point out the sexist comments? i don't remember see'ing anything sexist on here since that's a whole other subject. And we're not fighting here, we're discussing.

 

 

 

 

No it's not just you, I also think we're going off-topic.

You see there are types of Visual novels out there, There is the All-age one where you date the heroines with no H-scenes, which are the least common.

There's also The regular ones, You know, with the Story and H-scenes. Which are fairly common.

And there is also the H-scene focused ones, what we call a "nukige", Where it's mostly sex-oriented. which are the most common ones.

 

And i'd like to point out something else, Yaoi is targeted at the female audience, specifically fujoshi's, that's the main target, although there are rare expections where a guy watches it. But then there is Bara, Gay manga for men, but it's almost extinct.

As for Yuri, It's target is also female (See wikipedia) it was originally intended for females (It still is) But it proved popular among males aswell. So yeah.

 

Well like most users here said, Anal sex is not uncommon, infact it's very standar and couples practice it regularly, so there's no need for prudeness.

 

Anyway guys, we're going off-topic here, Please stay on topic and let the discussion continue

 

ahemm....

well..

you see here...

All-age games are mostly actually imparted from a H-rated game in Japen...

although there are a few title's that are aimed for all-age on its self..

then we go to Yaoi..or most commonly interpret as BL

this are more attractive to mature old lady(i read a few good comment from them in certain web)

although there are guy's whom play it as well..

me included..but i cant take in the extra scene of course

Otome's game have quite a nice storyline with a good artwork stroke....

but its too hard to imagine the reality of the story in the world now days..

and for Yuri..

it was design to target the girls..

but its definitely more popular among guys..

after all..its a man dream to enter in between lesbians...

but..talking bout nukige..

if you see the normal game title..

then its quite normal to have a scene or three for each available heroine..

but..if it something like Harem Party(no offence) which did a little...

too much of un-necessary Expoze for me..

the scene were just popping here and there...

every arc of the story are filled with sex scene..

i heard some people complained bout Kamidori with its unexpected scene..

but..i would like to make it a straight point..

i shall not accept this comment just because all of you get the play through with unlocked save's and everything..

if most of you like i did..strat the game from scrap..

it definitely focus more the Rpg side plus a detail character building and relationship construction..

if..

there were a point that i will condemn on..

it will be the amount of script..

i would prefer to read more bout each of the character and the plot~

[Red Panda 10]

It seems like most of her complaints could be addressed if she was just recommended the right otome. Surely there are some that are vanilla. I wouldn't know which though, seeing as I've never played one before.

[Stoopet 10]

^Just as I edit that post to clarify too! XD

Edited bit up there: (I sent you a PM thinking it was her but it is quite clear that it was one of her FANS instead taking the ordeal too far.)

Hence -Link Redacted-

I didn't want to make her look worse than she is, she is actually very nice.

End edited bit.

 

I think she was getting at "this is what I PERSONALLY want, not what I think should happen", as she elaborated to me a bit more. She really isn't that bad, just zealous. Nothing wrong with that, and while I highly disagree with her I respect her opinions. She isn't saying they shouldn't exist, she just wants OTHER KINDS that she can't find to exist as well, as she stated to me.

 

I don't think she is prudish, just really annoyed and kinda picky (again, nothing wrong with that), but I see where you might get that meaning from the quote then.

 

I wish I had the conversation we had saved, Tumblr doesn't save asks when you answer them privately, and I know my word on its own is rather weak. I think most of this is just a large amount of misinterpretation of a poorly worded blog post.

 

I know where you're coming from and i completely understand you, but that blog post and the comments on it offended me and many fans, not just me, but even non-anime fans will think it's completely hilarious and pointless.

If she was just voicing her opinion and saying what SHE wants she could have at least put some effort in it so not to make others misunderstand her, i was really pissed when i read that post, it's just awfully written.

 

P,S i read that PM, so is there something i can do?

 

It seems like most of her complaints could be addressed if she was just recommended the right otome. Surely there are some that are vanilla. I wouldn't know which though, seeing as I've never played one before.

 

I don't know, it seemed to me like a 15 year old moral idiot who has first seen adult material.

Actually, Most of them are Vanilla, but there are routes with darker themes such as rape and cheating and stuff. But think about it, Those otome games are what the japanese female audience want, so the developers make them according to the fans preferences, as harsh as it may sound, we really don't have any hand in it and our opinions don't matter to them (Not that we mind the way their doing stuff, heck i think japan is awesome).

But that kid was playing all-ages otome games, then suddenly jump to R-18 and complain about its content just sounds extremely dumb to me.

[Bane Doyle 10]

Acually, I have to agree with Red Panda. Let's see if someone can make a list and send it to her. I don't think she is underage, that is too much to automatically assume. Maybe she just doesn't like it? I don't like scat. That doesn't make me not liking games with it in it a prude or underage. That just means I don't like scat. She's just pickier than most.

 

I DO understand how that could offend though, quite easily in fact. But I am not the type to jump to harsh conclusions. I do agree, that post was written poorly. But now that we can see what she most likely meant it doesn't seem like she meant harm by it.

(Nah, they stopped after 7 anons. Go ahead and forgo everything else in it now that they're bored)