Outpost Omega J 45 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) If some one politely asks you to stop doing something they find offensive and rude multiple times and you don't stop, does that make you a jack ass? Edited October 17, 2014 by Outpost Omega J The word "they" was originally "you" confusing the meaning the of the sentence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyromaru 29 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Depends, if the person asking that person to stop is an asshole and deserves it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cru3l 13 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I had to read this multiple time to comprehend wtf was stated... still don't know wtf it means. "If some one politely asks (you) to stop doing something (you) find offensive and rude multiple times and you don't stop, does that make you a jack ass?" if you found it offensive why post it your self... I have to say, you're either messing with that person or yes, you're being a jackass.(In your terms) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pramit 22 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 what is jack ass? -pramit, 11/17/2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cru3l 13 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) hmm... It would be when you're acting like a stupid-person/retard. Does that clear your question? Edited October 16, 2014 by Cru3l I'M_TAKING_THAT_QUESTION_AS_A_JOKE_ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avenger 11 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 While it's true that: 1. It's polite to stop doing something that you know someone finds offensive. 2. It's not polite to do that thing for the sake of offending that person 3. It's not always reasonable to be polite in this way (ie, if the thing is helpful or necessary to the person) It's also, most importantly, true that: 4. Being polite means shit 5. Finding something offensive means shit. See: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneManArmy 82 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) If someone politely asks you to stop doing something he/she finds offensive and rude multiple times and you don't stop, does that make you a jack ass? Just put yourself into the shoes of that person. If you tell somebody to stop calling you an idiot (for example) but nevertheless that somebody continues to call you like that, what would you think of him/her, especially if you asked in a very polite way? I'm not sure what's your definition of a jack ass but surely you wouldn't think very high of that person. Well if I look at the third poll option then this could be also seen as a thread against Pasa because he called you something over and over again in the shoutbox. But I'm never there so fuck it. Edited October 16, 2014 by OneManArmy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cru3l 13 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 OMA, I don't know if he is referring him self on offensive or someone else's, but for this to make any sense he him self has to explain this part before any of this can make any sense. (Referring to that edit you made on his sentence) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneManArmy 82 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) OMA, I don't know if he is referring him self on offensive or someone else's, but for this to make any sense he him self has to explain this part before any of this can make any sense. (Referring to that edit you made on his sentence) Sure but that's the only meaningful sentence you can form if you consider he used "and you don't stop" at the end. Stephen Fry pic He's wrong though. Why has it no meaning if I feel offended by people who behave like or are Nazis? Why has it no meaning if I feel offended by my neighbour who throws his cigarette stubs in front of my house? Why has it no meaning if I feel offended by a family member who never does anything for the family but demands a lot from it? Why has it no meaning if I feel offended by ... I'll stop here. That guy has absolutely no idea how society works. Of course you don't have the right to stop a Nazi in his believes BUT you're free to feel offended by it. He simply says you don't have the right to feel offended because being offended has no purpose. Maybe it has no value in his life but then he's nothing more than a naive and selfish guy who doesn't care about the people around him because even if they feel offended by his actions he won't give a shit. And so those people won't give a shit about him either and in the end, in his "feeling offended is stupid" world, nobody will give a shit about people in general. Sorry but I don't even want to imagine such a world. Edited October 16, 2014 by OneManArmy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riddle 11 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 If someone finds that you find offensive something that he/she does and you ask him/her to stop then most of the time they will keep doing it just to force a reaction out of you and by creating this poll... boom reaction. Social norms and etiquette as you would have it do not apply on the internet, being "polite" in most cases is just a way to get what you want, or someone to do something you want, but that is beside the point here. If someone is being a prick towards you, respond in kind, or just move on, i doubt this is the first time you have encountered this situation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cru3l 13 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Or he could be using it to pester/annoy them, which is what it seems like he was doing in this case. There is multiple ways "and you don't stop" could be meant. Pasa, I'm just doing this to kill some time seeing as how the SB is dead right now, and I have nothing to work on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alfadios 11 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 What the hell is this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outpost Omega J 45 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Minor error of "you/they" in first post. Now corrected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outpost Omega J 45 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Alfadios, rahrah, as you are not Pasa, you shouldn't be selecting that option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outpost Omega J 45 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 social norms and etiquette as you would have it do not apply on the internet, being "polite" in most cases is just a way to get what you want, or someone to do something you want, but that is beside the point here. If someone is being a prick towards you, respond in kind, or just move on, i doubt this is the first time you have encountered this situation. The only thing I "want" is a return of the curtsey I've shown EVERYONE on this forum for as long as I can remember. I Have NEVER been deliberately rude for the purpose of bothering somebody else and if I have ever accidentally offended someone, I quickly apologize as soon as it is pointed out to me. I'm sorry you feel being polite does not apply to the internet. Unlike privileges, which must be earned, not being deliberately insulted is a fundamental right to all people that can only be lost by deliberately insulting others who have not already lost this right. The fact that I'm in front of a computer does not change the fact I am a person. As I am a person and have not deliberately insulted anyone who still possesses their right to not be deliberately insulted, I still posses the right to not be deliberately insulted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outpost Omega J 45 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) See: [ATTACH=CONFIG]11794[/ATTACH] (I do not know why the picture is not displaying. It does when I hit "Preview" before actually posting. For those who do not like clicking on links in forums, the picture in question can be found on the sixth post of page one of this thread.) While it's true that: 1. Every person has a right to an opinion (on a side note: an opinion derived from objective fact, not mass-media sensationalism, bigotry, etc.) 2. A second person finding the first person's opinion offensive does not negate the first person's right to have their opinion. It's also, most importantly, true that: 3. No body has the right to deliberately express their opinion in the hearing of those who find that opinion offensive for the sole purpose of offending those people and no other reason. 4. Calling somebody an insulting name for the sole purpose of being insulting after being (POLITELY) asked to stop (MULTIPLE TIMES) has nothing to do with having an opinion so Stephan Fry's quote (the speaker in the picture for those who don't realize who I'm talking about) has nothing to do with this. Your argument is specious. Edited October 17, 2014 by Outpost Omega J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyromaru 29 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/dbNBinQ.png Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alfadios 11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Alfadios, rahrah, as you are not Pasa, you shouldn't be selecting that option. Well who says I`m not Pasa,can you be entirely sure of that fact?... Kidding aside I took that option cause I`m more or less neutral in this poll and as there was no neutral option,I`ll take the Pasa is a Jackass option^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChexGuy 13 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) As I am a person and have not deliberately insulted anyone who still possesses their right to not be deliberately insulted, I still posses the right to not be deliberately insulted. That's....not how the world works. At all. I mean...is this supposed to make someone who has offended you back off and say "SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS!"? Yeah no they'd laugh at you and go back to what they were doing in spades. also context pls Edited October 17, 2014 by ChexGuy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyromaru 29 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 ^He's mad that his nickname is draon.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChexGuy 13 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 ^He's mad that his nickname is draon.. lolwut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avenger 11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 While it's true that: 1. Every person has a right to an opinion (on a side note: an opinion derived from objective fact, not mass-media sensationalism, bigotry, etc.) 2. A second person finding the first person's opinion offensive does not negate the first person's right to have their opinion. It's also, most importantly, true that: 3. No body has the right to deliberately express their opinion in the hearing of those who find that opinion offensive for the sole purpose of offending those people and no other reason. 4. Calling somebody an insulting name for the sole purpose of being insulting after being (POLITELY) asked to stop (MULTIPLE TIMES) has nothing to do with having an opinion so Stephan Fry's quote (the speaker in the picture for those who don't realize who I'm talking about) has nothing to do with this. Your argument is specious. Good thing rights don't actually exist then (except as a social construct) 1. True, and part in brackets False. There is no difference between the two groups. Nothing is objective fact. Besides, human beings are inherently biased towards certain groups, and inherently a social being who forms thoughts based on experiences - including that of "mass-media sensationalism" - how can something which is biologically part of us not be a "right"? Even if that was true, you are being bigoted against those who think they have the right to an opinion derived from, as you so elegently put it, "mass-media sensationalism, bigotry, etc". By your own definition, your opinion is False 2. True 3. Right to Free Speech (or Right to Freedom of Speech) is a thing in several countries. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. Otherwise, you should never have started this thread - which is just a thinly disguised opinion designed to discredit (and offend) a certain forum member 4. It is your opinion that you're being insulted only for that sake. You are offended by them insulting you. That's fine. What if they're offended by you being offended by their actions, and are polite enough to not bring it up? Should you now stop being offended? What if I'm offended that there is pointless bickering on a forum which is supposed to be about eroge, and related matters? Should you both now stop? At any rate, I can render all of this irrelevant by telling you about two functions of the forums: 1. /ignore in shoutbox, so you don't see their shouts, and 2. The Ignore List (see settings, or click on someone's name and select option to add) which hides their posts and PMs I'm trying not to take a side, merely pointing out flaws in your argument - by that I mean that they, in my opinion, are flaws, which is really all anyone can talk about. This is quite fun. We should start a daily thread where people can just complain about things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rahrah 32 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Alfadios, rahrah, as you are not Pasa, you shouldn't be selecting that option. voted on the wrong account, my b Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alfadios 11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This is quite fun. We should start a daily thread where people can just complain about things. Haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soren619 10 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Xanita always asks me to stop calling him Xanita but I keep doing it anyway because I know he secretly enjoys it. Sometimes you just have to know how to read between the lines =3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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