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[Uzuki Sepia 10]

Good job spoiling people I guess (Granted, when it comes to Saya no uta, I consider everything plot-related as spoiler), and misunderstood the SB context along with it.

 

I didn't spoil anything and what you consider spoiler is of no importance if it isn't. Also, while I checked the thing out after 2 years, look at what I found written in the patch readme as "game overview"

 

"It is the story of one Sakisaka Fuminori, a man who received the curse of

perceiving this world and its inhabitants as monstrous; it is the story of Saya,

the single girl whom Fuminori recognized as human. It is a story about how Fuminori

lost his humanity and how Saya gained hers. But, most importantly, it is a story

about love - a love which defiles the world."

 

Glad that at least the guy who translated it understood the obvious.

 

 

@Dan

 

 

[Love insn't mentioned in Ougai's papers, she learns it (progressively) with Fuminori. If it wasn't the case near the end you wouldn't have stuff such as a Saya that in a first moment, knowing that Yoh liked Fuminori, changes Yoh's body in order to "give her a body that could be loved by him" (making him a present -that he didn't need, she was more like an experiment with which he might as well play with-, though she does other stuff such as offering to take on Kouji by herself putting his safety ahead of her own) followed by a change of mind with a jealous Saya that want to monopolize him (end of the last h-scene).

 

[Dan. 11]

The spoiler comment was about the post immediately before the post where he said it.

 

 

@Dan

 

 

[Love insn't mentioned in Ougai's papers, she learns it (progressively) with Fuminori. If it wasn't the case near the end you wouldn't have stuff such as a Saya that in a first moment, knowing that Yoh liked Fuminori, changes Yoh's body in order to "give her a body that could be loved by him" (making him a present -that he didn't need, she was more like an experiment with which he might as well play with-, though she does other stuff such as offering to take on Kouji by herself putting his safety ahead of her own) followed by a change of mind with a jealous Saya that want to monopolize him (end of the last h-scene).

 

 

[Love is mentioned in Ougai's papers. It's in the end after Saya transforms the world when the doctor is putting his papers together and it tells the full story of Saya coming to this world and her time together with Ougai. Saya says that she transformed Yoh because she wanted to give Fuminori a family (and Yoh is the pet). They discuss right after she does it about how she's just a pet and Saya wants him to have sex with Yoh, but to give all his semen to Saya.

 

[alexismaster 10]

 

 

[Love insn't mentioned in Ougai's papers, she learns it (progressively) with Fuminori. If it wasn't the case near the end you wouldn't have stuff such as a Saya that in a first moment, knowing that Yoh liked Fuminori, changes Yoh's body in order to "give her a body that could be loved by him" (making him a present -that he didn't need, she was more like an experiment with which he might as well play with-, though she does other stuff such as offering to take on Kouji by herself putting his safety ahead of her own) followed by a change of mind with a jealous Saya that want to monopolize him (end of the last h-scene).

 

Like/as Dan said

 

[http://i.imgur.com/7n4mUxG.jpg

 

Edited October 25, 2013 by alexismaster
My english is worse every day, so my sanity

[Gerard the Lone Wolf 10]

Just to be clear, I do liked Saya because she's a cute loli-waifu, but that's a different story.

 

I read in the shoutbox that to you the love she shows at the end is the same as the one the shows at the beginng because she has to reproduce (instinct, isn't it? you call that love?)

 

Since the mad guy who talk to fairies brought up SB, I guess I should post what I wrote in there, just because.

[spoiler=Saya]The shouts are from bottom to top, if you haven't realize it already.

http://puu.sh/4Z6IZ.png

http://puu.sh/4Z6Qu.png

 

 

Glad that at least the guy who translated it understood the obvious.

lol

 

Does that short summary of the story tell us anything about Saya's character development?

Does it says that the execution of Saya's character development was done well?

Does it tell us that the story achieved what it was trying to tell its audience through Saya's character?

What are you trying to prove with that, guy who talk to fairies?

 

 

 

 

[Love insn't mentioned in Ougai's papers, she learns it(progressively) with Fuminori.If it wasn't the case near the end you wouldn't have stuff such as a Saya that in a first moment, knowing that Yoh liked Fuminori, changes Yoh's body in order to "give her a body that could be loved by him" (making him a present -that he didn't need, she was more like an experiment with which he might as well play with-, though she does other stuff such as offering to take on Kouji by herself putting his safety ahead of her own) followed by a change of mind with a jealous Saya that want to monopolize him (end of the last h-scene).

 

Wow, this is so bad it's actually unbelievable. Let's just pretend that he is completely right about the scenes, how it occurs, the reasons why it happened, its relations with Saya's character development, and end this.

 

Woah, what a character development, gyafun~~~ Saya's best character 10/10!!!

Edited October 25, 2013 by Gerard the Lone Wolf

[bLaZiNgReD 10]

Im confused is this thread Saya no Uta or suggestion? Most of these post are useless.

 

@OP Play Majikoi and MLA for good protag.

[Uzuki Sepia 10]

The spoiler comment was about the post immediately before the post where he said it.

 

 

 

 

[Love is mentioned in Ougai's papers. It's in the end after Saya transforms the world when the doctor is putting his papers together and it tells the full story of Saya coming to this world and her time together with Ougai. Saya says that she transformed Yoh because she wanted to give Fuminori a family (and Yoh is the pet). They discuss right after she does it about how she's just a pet and Saya wants him to have sex with Yoh, but to give all his semen to Saya.

 

 

[My fault, I didn't remember there was a second part. But as you can see in the images alexismaster posted, he states that she wasn't able to share love with a human and only with Fuminori she was able to. You said at a certain point in your second post "But in learning about them she learns about love and trying to understand love is what makes her human.", while I say that he humanization lays in the fact that she was able to love Fuminori (she fails/she succeeds).

 

And this (just to say that it was stated, I know that what you say is also there).

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/zn4uo3.jpg

 

 

 

Just to be clear, I do liked Saya because she's a cute loli-waifu, but that's a different story.

 

 

 

Since the mad guy who talk to fairies brought up SB, I guess I should post what I wrote in there, just because.

[spoiler=Saya]The shouts are from bottom to top, if you haven't realize it already.

http://puu.sh/4Z6IZ.png

http://puu.sh/4Z6Qu.png

 

 

 

lol

 

Does that short summary of the story tell us anything about Saya's character development?

Does it says that the execution of Saya's character development was done well?

Does it tell us that the story achieved what it was trying to tell its audience through Saya's character?

What are you trying to prove with that, guy who talk to fairies?

 

 

 

 

Wow, this is so bad it's actually unbelievable. Let's just pretend that he is completely right about the scenes, how it occurs, the reasons why it happened, its relations with Saya's character development, and end this.

 

Woah, what a character development, gyafun~~~ Saya's best character 10/10!!!

 

 

"except being in love, which is also part of her nature as the species breeder" is utterly wrong. To be in love is something human, she is basically like an animal that does it just to procreate.

Also, the short summary was there to prove that I didn't spoil anything because I wrote what you could find in a synopsys, other than to correct your misconceptions, starting from when you go lol about the humanization of the moster.

Also, you are that's so bad that's actually unbelievable, unable to understand when she drink his stuff her purposes and when she want to monopolize him because she's jealous. No difference between what moves her offering of experimenting to restore his mind and when she proposes it in the end (if she loved him she wouldn't have been joking about the possibility of restoring his mind in the beginning because in the moment he is back to normal she would have lost him), and so on. No wonder you don't see development in Saya's character (and that would more or less answer to Dan too, though being that he doesen't discuss like a girl during her period I wouldn't put it in these terms).

 

Edited October 25, 2013 by Uzuki Sepia

[Dubs 13]

I'm also confused.. this guys asking for suggestions, not your massive lectures which you're using to show your undying love for each other, For once there was an argument and Loppez (R.I.P) wasn't the reason behind it.

 

OT: I would suggest Saya no Uta as well for the simple reason the Protag doesn't "Suck"..

unless you count buying a massive axe and then realizing he can't fight for shit as sucking.

 

Edited October 25, 2013 by Dubs

[Gerard the Lone Wolf 10]

Hey, I at least gives a lot of suggestions, unlike the person above you who is butthurt because I said Saya's doesn't have good development. xD

 

 

Edit: *sigh* Okay, let's do this.

 

[spoiler=Saya]

"She tried to understand romance as an integral part of the human reproductive process. As a result, she might have unwittingly neutered her unparalleled reproductive abilities. After all____she had not known love."

 

"She had come to this world to rule it in humanity's place, and had studied our species in order to fulfill that purpose - but, ultimately, she could not share love with a human. Without love's blessing, she was unable to find the enthusiasm necessary to fill this world with her kind.

 

"After learning everything there was to know about humanity, she herself became irreversibly human. Weary of loneliness, she herself despaired the world -

 

Now, what can people understand from these quote? Saya's believe that romance is an integral part of human reproductive (due to the romantic literature books she consumed), so she had indirectly neutered her own reproductive abilities i.e. "she now needs romance as a cause" and tried to understand love ("humanization" process starts here). But human saw her as a monster, and she scared them, so she can't share love with them to fill the world with her kind i.e. reproduce, until Fuminori's who sees her as a cute loli-waifu girl came into her lives.

 

 

"except being in love, which is also part of her nature as the species breeder" is utterly wrong.

No it is not exactly wrong. Check this: "Without love's blessing, she was unable to find the enthusiasm necessary to fill this world with her kind."

 

 

You said at a certain point in your second post "But in learning about them she learns about love and trying to understand love is what makes her human.", while I say that he humanization lays in the fact that she was able to love Fuminori

She always has the ability to love someone, anyone, IMO, she just couldn't (for obvious reasons) until Fuminori who sees her as a loli-waifu came along, so no, her so-called "humanization" start right on when she decided that romantic relationship is a necessary part of her.

 

 

To be in love is something human, she is basically like an animal that does it just to procreate.

Yes, I agree with that, which is why I specifically said "except being in love". My problem with your sentence is when you said "the humanization of the monster". She did not become humanized in other areas except "romantic relationship", this is why she can eat people, transform people into being like her, and ultimately damned the entire human civilization and gave them a middle finger right in their faces.

 

 

Also, the short summary was there to prove that I didn't spoil anything because I wrote what you could find in a synopsys,

This logic is terribly laughable. It isn't a spoiler because you can find it in a synopsis?

 

Let's see:

[spoiler=Grisaia no Rakuen]

Our story picks up immediately after the events of Grisaia no Meikyuu, with Kazami Yuuji having been detained for suspected involvement with an international terrorist organization, lead by Heath Oslo, that has managed to enter Japan's borders with a devastating new weapon of mass destruction in hand. Meanwhile, at Mihama Academy, the remaining students find themselves with time running out - due to financial issues, the school is set to close within the month. Over the past year, though, the girls of Mihama have finally begun to find their own legs, thanks to Yuuji's involvement - are they really just going to bury their heads in the sand and let the world change around them? And are they really willing to let the man who changed their lives slip away without so much as trying to win him back? As the end of their time at Mihama Academy approaches, Amane, Makina, Sachi, Yumiko, and Michiru find themselves arriving at a single conclusion.

 

Yep, totally not a spoiler because you can find it in VNDB short summary.

 

Also not a spoiler:

she offers to let him go back to his old life//first bad end scene

 

 

other than to correct your misconceptions, starting from when you go lol about the humanization of the moster.

"It is a story about how Fuminori

lost his humanity and how Saya gained hers" - "the involution of the man and the humanization of the monster."

There's a subtle difference between these two sentences you know.

 

Anway, Saya's gained her humanity for romantic relationship, in that, she wants to love someone, get jealous, etc. but that is all. It doesn't expand beyond that. Like I've said before, she does a lot of monstrous action throughout the VN.

 

 

Also, you are that's so bad that's actually unbelievable, unable to understand when she drink his stuff her purposes and when she want to monopolize him because she's jealous.

Saya that in a first moment, knowing that Yoh liked Fuminori, changes Yoh's body in order to "give her a body that could be loved by him" followed by a change of mind with a jealous Saya that want to monopolize him

http://i40.tinypic.com/zn4uo3.jpg

I actually understood that scene, unlike you. There is no change of mind whatsoever. She was jealous when she found out, and she deliberately turned her into a monster to punish her for loving Fuminori, and she told those words in the screenshot to test him and see if he would reacted to her provocation. She was planning to make her a pet from the beginning when she found out the girl loves Fuminori's through her victim's phone. There is no change of mind in here. lol

 

 

 

(if she loved him she wouldn't have been joking about the possibility of restoring his mind in the beginning because in the moment he is back to normal she would have lost him)

If you can't see that she'd started to loves him from the beginning of the game, I've nothing to say about this anymore.

 

 

No wonder you don't see development in Saya's character (and that would more or less answer to Dan too, though being that he doesen't discuss like a girl during her period I wouldn't put it in these terms).

Uzuki Sepia: "Saya's doesn't love him at first, but now she is" = Marvelous character development "Saya gradually loves Fuminori's more and more" = Great character development "Saya's get jealous" = Splendid character's development

Erm, okay. I'll just brush this off as you've a lower standard than mine.

 

Edited October 26, 2013 by Gerard the Lone Wolf

[Uzuki Sepia 10]

I'm also confused.. this guys asking for suggestions, not your massive lectures which you're using to show your undying love for each other.

 

One day, seeing how he does write always in blue, I'll use red and then there will be gold too. It's going to be even more entertaining.

 

 

Also, to the guy who asked for suggestions: S;G, Utawarerumono, KnS or YU-NO (don't snob it just because is old -like I did for some time-, it's pretty damn good).

 

Hey, I at least gives a lot of suggestions, unlike the person above you who is butthurt because I said Saya's doesn't have good development. xD

 

In the meantime I remembered, see?

 

Though with all these suggestions he had already a lot of choices.

Edited October 25, 2013 by Uzuki Sepia

[iLoveTsundere 10]

Im confused is this thread Saya no Uta or suggestion? Most of these post are useless.

 

@OP Play Majikoi and MLA for good protag.

 

Hi loppez. Decided to jump into another one of your split personality accounts or...oh wait , account loppez is banned , lulz.

[Yachi 13]

[My fault, I didn't remember there was a second part. But as you can see in the images alexismaster posted, he states that she wasn't able to share love with a human and only with Fuminori she was able to. You said at a certain point in your second post "But in learning about them she learns about love and trying to understand love is what makes her human.", while I say that he humanization lays in the fact that she was able to love Fuminori (she fails/she succeeds).

 

And this (just to say that it was stated, I know that what you say is also there).

 

http://i40.tinypic.com/zn4uo3.jpg

 

 

Well actually

 

 

{http://i.imgur.com/asHOu55.png

http://i.imgur.com/UdexfI4.gif

http://i.imgur.com/stTTyFZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pzxYjRM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/s2vliAg.png

http://i.imgur.com/tqT0bUa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A2sInXu.jpg

 

[SaruDa 11]

Well actually

 

 

{http://i.imgur.com/asHOu55.png

http://i.imgur.com/UdexfI4.gif

http://i.imgur.com/stTTyFZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pzxYjRM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/s2vliAg.png

http://i.imgur.com/tqT0bUa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A2sInXu.jpg

Oh wow, that's a really good point.

[DarkEclipse 10]

Haven't had a chance to look at this thread since I made it, yeah I mistyped when I made the thread sorry.

 

Idk I found A Profile not too bad, might just be me though lol, but thanks for the suggestions I'll be sure to give many of those titles a try. Hopefully they will last until some more titles get translated.