iLoveTsundere

I think you mean Chiharu. And congrats in going through the gruel task of reading through what i would consider THE true guro VN , from the ones ive read at least which to be fair arent that many. You have now joined an exclusive club of the mentally scarred. Welcome!

Saya no Uta = Everything good , bad , horrible and downright revolting about humanity , in a nutshell.

in ED space , no one can read you scream.

^7/10 i like wanko

[Mangagamer][Overdrive]Edelweiss_English_DRM-free.7z"]HERE , this is the torrent in piratebay , but im not sure how fast youre going to download it though. but its worth a shot.

i think ill use Atlas to translate the gibberish translated with machine translation.

Al Azif

way to not use spoiler tags there.

Trace....on , desi. It'll do wonders for the disappointment in translations.

I only particularly enjoyed G.senjou's true route , haru's ending + epilogue were the icing on the cake , the sub-heroines plot was median at best compared to the awesomeness of the true route. As for hoshizora , my only beef with it was exactly the opposite. I found its true route rather lacking on something. Other than that , thumbs up. Favorite VNs for me would be Muv Luv series , F/SN , Sharin no Kuni , G-senjou (only because of haru) , Saya no Uta and im reading ever17 now , but its a definite spot on my top 5 as well. Also , Dustmania. *trollface*

Muv-Luv Chronicles

i was going to include sumika , but she's on the god tier , cant include her in my earthly harem.

wayyyy to many , harem of classic tsundere pl0x with Taiga from toradora , Riho from deardrops , Lily from Duel Savior , Tsugumi from Ever17........way too many.

Quantity rather than quality. nuff said.

Goddess Sumika has blessed me , Her lowly servant , into an eternity of freedom reading VNs with sex in front of everyone else (i.e. my girlfriend).

Sumika is the beggining of all things! Sumika is the making of all things! Sumika is the end of all things! Salvation through Sumika! Clench your fists! DRILL MILKY PUNCH!

There it is.

this uh? i agree. Especially because it also serves to give yuuko a more dere side. Also Radhabinod's promotion speech. "Look Marimo , your children are there..." (or something along those lines)

agreed , but you have to take in consideration that not everyone will read a deep plot VN out of genuinely liking it unfortunately...just like there are people who will start reading muv luv extra , like it for being that kind of comedy feel , and then start to dislike unlimited and hate alternative because it gets serious , and then just quit during mid-read. i dont think they will ever give that step further any time soon unfortunately but its like i said , different strokes for different folks. still its quite a shame really... just a while ago there was a guy on Shoutbox asking everyone when was there H-scenes on Katawa Shoujo , and said he mainly just wants the sex scenes...thats one example.

You would be surprised at the incredible amount of people who just skipped through muv luv alternative because they couldnt understand the plot and didnt want to , or just "read" through it because its "popular to like VNs like muv luv" so they get accepted as elite. Laughable. Not everyone can enjoy it , and theres nothing wrong with that , different strokes for different folks. About normal game styles thats subjective , if you really like a game you start off as a casual and build up your skill on it , but VNs (at least not the ones with gameplay) arent games. They are more akin books , with images and voices (for the most part). When talking about casuals in VNs , its the same as casuals readers VS insightful readers. On normal games you mostly just kill/build/whatever and you either suck at those or you get better at it , reading is second plane as gravy unless its point and click adventure games where you need to take stuff into consideration. There's no hand/eye coordination needed when reading a VN with an intricate plot with zero gameplay, but you wont understand any of it if you have no insight to understand the twists at the very least.

I disagree with you when you say casual will eventually lead to "skilled" , i will take VNs as an example : Some people are fine with and will play nukiges regularly and enjoy it , be it for the H scenes or whatever comedy it might have in it , or games like Duel Savior that are more light-hearted in nature combined with those action parts (i also like and have played duel savior for the record) , but not all of them will enjoy the most serious VNs that need throughout reading-between-the-lines like muv luv alternative , ever17 , etc , as in the ones which require you as a reader to delve deep in the story. You just cant do that as a casual reader. And i know for a fact that there are people who will NEVER appreciate these kind of dark deep plotted VNs , or even ones with heavy drama like Clannad. What i meant with all of this is that there are limits to what people will enjoy and those limits arent always very wide so those people will never venture further from the light-hearted non-serious side of VNs. Those will never evolve further than that and will stagnate.

I had played VNs since true love in 1995 but stopped after 3 more , last one was Nocturnal Illusions. Didnt care much about VNs back then it was just a weird hobby of mine. Then my gf pulled me over to the VN side couple of years ago , i got hooked , and here i am.