Haika

The hell... Why did I think this was food? Bah now I feel like an idiot. Oh well, still love me some baconbits. Wait wait wait. Gah perverts of the internet making me doubt myself. Google search indeed supports that anime for the word MarImite. however, looking deeper we find what I was thinking about: Marmite (play /ˈmɑrmaɪt/ MAR-myt) is the name given to two similar food spreads: the original British version, first produced in the United Kingdom and later South Africa, and a version produced in New Zealand. Marmite is made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing. So at least I'm not as crazy as I thought I was. Though it looks like the OP was in your book at the time. That extra I really changes the meaning of the word.

I just finished G-Senjou no Maou. I am planning to marathon watch the anime now, in respect for this amazing piece of art I have been allowed to experience. For my further thoughts, check out my final post over on the discussion thread I made for the game: https://erogegames.com/eroge-visual-novels/eroge-general-talk/429-g-senjou-no-maou-discussion-post7178/#post7178 There I talked about how I felt as I played through it, as well as my final rating of 10/10 and why I've given it that rating. I will repeat my final thought here: Edit: Sadly, for some reason I thought there was anime for this. I am le-sad that there isn't.

... ...... ............. damn. It's over... it's finally over. The Fin is on my screen now in the other window. That was rough... damn rough. My eyes are welling up, and I keep heaving strong sighs. When the Fin finally showed it's face I couldn't help but laugh almost as crazily as Maou. This game... This crazy, insane, steamroller of intensity. I just... whew. They could have ended it at the credits, I was thinking things were all wrapped up. But I had a feeling that something was off. It seemed far too simple a death for Maou there at the end of the incident. And then the epilogue started. That's where it got really rough. The darkness and sadness at the way the story worked out really had me pissed off. However... the end. Damn that end. I've played several VN's now. I remember openly crying at the final end of Fate/Stay, after all the routes were completed, and you got the little end scene for true ending. That is... barely able to hold a candle to this now. I'm still reeling, and I think I will be for a while now. The ending here feels complete. I have no regrets. Nothing bad I can say about what happened. The dark theme and the gritty reality works for this story, and it all came about into a fitting conclusion. Anything more than this and it probably would have spoiled the mess that my heart is in right now. Before this point, the only other good end I really liked was Tsubaki's. That's just a joke now. As gritty and dark as this final ending is. It feels so fucking real that I can hardly contain myself. Hence this overly long post. There's enough there to give you these amazing feelings, at the same time it's left open enough that you can imagine the personal outcome for the characters into the future however you like. Emotion like this is hard to come by. I'll be savoring this for a while before I start up another VN. When I update my VNDB I'll be giving this game a 10. Along with Katawa Shoujo and Fate/Stay Night. I don't give 10's out lightly, I've done reviews of games I felt amazed with and still only given them an 8 or 9. Usually there is SOME flaw that I can pick about. At this point, I say there isn't one here. My posts in this thread have talked about my feelings as I went along. Some of the endings were weaker than others. The sheer length of the novel and the intensity that made me step back to hold in my sanity are washed away as bad things. I believe all of this contributed to the story, and now after overcoming those obstacles, I'm left with a feeling of utter completion. The music was great, it fit the mood, and hearing certain tracks alone would boost you into more emotional states than just playing the game would. The art was clean, crisp, and had no warping or messiness in the CG's. Even the H-scenes had enough variety that I enjoyed them. As I'm noticing in many of the really best VN's the sex is usually pretty vanilla, and I think it may have gotten weird if more fetishes had been brought into play, even if they are some of my favorite ones. The linear path of the different routes made for a frustrating gameplay, but it all came together in an amazing fashion. Seeing each of the other girls at the end made my heart ache like nearly nothing else. Knowing what I do now, at the end of it all. This goes right into my #1 spot for recommendations. If you haven't played it yet. Bite down hard on your lip and take the plunge. The path can be rough at times, but the feelings at the end are exquisite. I've tried my best not to spoil things here in this thread. People are welcome to continue discussing the game here, or give their own thoughts about the game as they play. I hope you all get to experience even some of the passion and emotion I felt brought out by this game.

I misjudged the length of the game as well. I knew it was long, but even after a good night's rest, I'm 4 more hours invested and it's still going strong. Things SHOULD be winding down, but knowing this game, there's still a chance of me being wrong. Hopefully I'll finish it up today, but who knows. In the meantime, I was going to play Kira Kira next, but part 6 doesn't want to download for some reason. -.- Adding some to my frustration at the very warm and humid weather I've been dealing with. This is July type weather in the 80F range, not stuff for mid march.

I can think of at least two fetishes that might fit this type of thread, however I don't think that's exactly what the OP is looking for. So my answer shall be Bacon Bits. Usually without the salad. I've been known to buy a container of it and just nibble on them like a jar of nuts by my computer.

I'm afraid I couldn't take it. I have indeed stopped for a bit. Watching some Penn and Teller 'fool us'. I enjoy good light entertainment as much as the heavy stuff from this game. But my stress levels are extremely high after playing it so much, so I need to back off before I break something. I don't think it takes anything away from the game, I will still finish it, probably later this evening, but I think it's better for my sanity to take a break like this. If for nothing else than to savor the end when I do get to it, instead of wearing myself out by rushing.

I think this revolves around a concept of a 'main' heroine. For many VN's, and games like Harvest Moon. There is usually a strong contender for the most average and common match up with the main character. The anime seem to support this, and I wonder if it isn't a general Japanese trend to like those characters more. Those of us who are into these games and the anime itself from other languages tend to like the more ab-normal types. I suppose it may say something about Japanese culture, vs our view as 'Otaku'. Either that or it's published media trying to brainwash the masses into being what is more accepted by society, even if that's a bit of a paranoid revolutionary type thought.

eeeee. This is intense. I've played non-stop for several hours now since finishing up the Mizuha parts, but the game does NOT let up. I realize now that years ago I have indeed watched the anime for this game. I had a sense of Deja-vu in Tsubaki's route that I couldn't seem to shake, and as things got going here after the school kidnapping I had suspicions on the major spoiler of the game. I'm extremely pleased with how even with that the game kept me doubting my thoughts until the big reveal. I'm not done yet, things just got a little crazy with the events, and I'm left feeling a bit stunned. I knew his plan would be big, but this is pretty insane. I think my biggest problem with things right now is that the game is so long, it seems very dramatic and well written to keep you on the edge the whole time. But a large part of me wants a break, That's why I paused things and came in here to type this post and check other threads here in the forum. In other games with shorter fully-seperate routes I don't feel as tired as I do now after reading this novel. I don't know how I will feel about things when it finally ends, but I can already see why so many people think so highly of this game. It's an experience that takes hold of you, and squeezes you tightly as it goes along. As a side note: The Die-Hard comment was great. I wonder if that was actually in the game, or something the translators added.

Ugh, the Tsukihime anime was crap. Maybe because it was made so long ago, but they changed too many things making it feel like a horrible rip off from the novel. I honestly liked the Tsukihime parts in Carnival Phantasm more.

Of course I will. But still have quite a bit to go I assume. Still getting chapter 4 updates between scenes. I'm already highly amused at some of the things I said about Yuki. I still think she's pretty hot as a character, but like everyone in this game it seems her core has some deep darkness. Such a shame... but damn. Maou is badass.

Finished up Mizuha's good end just now. That felt very artificial and drawn out. The H-scenes were boring, and I just didn't feel like the story evolved much as it went on. I suppose it comes to a nice conclusion, or at least nicer than the Kanon routes. But I'm still disappointed with Mizuha as a whole, I expected something better from her. Onward to the good stuff I suppose.

Welp, just got the Mizuha bad end. For as short as that was, the CG's in that path were pretty good. Her H-scene was too short, but there are aspects of that sort of submissive play that I do enjoy. Also, we get to see some Ecchi Yuki, which wasn't bad at all. Really though, the whole side story for this girl is again feeling very weak. I don't trust Yuki farther than I could throw her. At this immediate point, I expect she's totally using Mizuha to try and keep the main character away from Haru. Mizuha herself seems totally different from what she is in the 'main' storyline. Much like Kanon once you get into her route it's like she changes completely. For better or worse I suppose. Before this started I was looking forward to Mizuha's route here, she had a strong tsundere feel, and as things went on a bit I felt like there might be more depth there. However, it didn't work out that way at all. We will see how the good end of her route goes, but it seems pretty flimsy and shallow at this point. A submissive tsundere just seems like an odd combo. Also as a note, some spoiler stuff for the end of the Kanon route along the main storyline: I really got a kick out of the talk of using the fish blood on the pier. I vividly remember wondering how the 'we are having fish' comment came into play earlier, when Kanon said she smelled like the sea. To put a bad pun, I knew something was Fishy... but I just didn't know what. XD And it put a goofy grin on my face when that tidbit about the murder came up.

That's supposed to be Saber? Reminds me more of Arcueid from Tsukihime.

I think after only playing part way, I can see that everything will come down to Haru. But I'm a completionist. So I play the others as I go along. 3 hours or so since I posted this, I finished the Kanon 'good' ending. I suppose it was better than the bad ending, but it still left me with a feeling of not being finished. I can't help but compare it to the Tsubaki ends, that end up wrapping things up and talking about how their lives will be after the main events in the novel. Kanon doesn't seem to get the same level of completeness. The incest is never explained or dealt with, and their future together... or not together, is left totally unanswered in both the good and bad ends. I suppose the whole Brother-Sister thing is the cause here, the developers wanting to use that as fuel for people who enjoy that kind of thing, but I really expected the main character to use what happened as a way to get away from the Yakuza and become Kanon's 'proper' husband or lover or whatever... In the end when I should be feeling better and happy about things, this whole route seems weak to me. Compared to Haru, or even Tsubaki, Kanon just seems like she didn't get a fair chance, and that's the feelings I'm left with after finishing her routes. Again, I suppose that's a testimate to the depth of the character to make me feel so much, but honestly I feel a bit irritated that it was left so unfinished. Oh well, time to go back and see what actually happens, and then get some info about the rich girl. Hopefully her route can at least hold up to Tsubaki's.

Went ahead and signed up here. Kinda surprised it took me so long to do so. Filled out what I could on the list of what games I remember playing, and which ones I finished or not. haika's visual novel list Kinda wished they had some of the stats that places like MyAnimeList have. I'm curious how my overall VN play times might compare.

Alright, so I've been playing this game. And I know several people think extremely highly of it. It has great reviews on the database, and I've been enjoying it so far. Starting this up to try and talk spoiler-free about the game as I go, and my frustration about certain things. I'm having a hard time with the linear route progression thing. I've completed both Tsubaki ends, and have just gotten the Kanon Bad End. And decided to start all this before I go for the good end, then get back to what I feel is the main storyline with Haru. I didn't notice it as much with the Tsubaki routes, but when the game moved into Kanon's stuff, it was a dramatic break from the storyline for me. It just became very very hard to think it all flowed together because it felt so obvious. I think adding to that feel of frustration is the fact that most of the comedic relief comes in the form of Usami. At least for me. Kanon had some of that feeling, but it just crumbled like pie crust after we entered into her route, and it all went down this dark road. Darkness is a huge theme here, the characters have a great depth to them, but I wish there was a bit more positive characters. I suppose someone can say that's a more 'realistic' view on character types, but I wonder. Kanon's bad end here felt very empty. It gave me a feeling of emotionless decline. I know it's a bad end and all, but it seemed like there was tons of build up into certain things that just get tossed out the window in the end. Compared to Tsubaki's bad end, it really just didn't hold up. Tsubaki's felt like it had a story, and wrapped up how things could have ended up. Kanon's just felt like it abandoned everything, then left everything undone and unfinished. I think the main point that I got from it was that it didn't feel like an ending at all. Anyway, I'm going to update this with my thoughts after each ending. It should at least say something about how the game makes me feel strongly enough about it to post like this. Feel free to add in your own thoughts about the game. Just be wary of spoilers.

When I first got into VN's I did indeed buy some games. I've posted the story elsewhere here on these forums in the how did you get into eroge thread, so I won't re-type it here. To a question of if I would buy any now... that's difficult. My financial situation is in a horrible state. To be able to even entertain the idea of paying money for something it would have to be amazing. Even then, I probably wouldn't take that extra effort, when my money could be used on other more vital things. I have a hard time fooling myself that money I spend on games, music, movies, etc goes to the proper people. About the only thing I've bought over the past years have been the Humble Indie Bundles, because you get to say how you want your money shared amongst distributors, and publishers, and advertisers, oh and that little known group called the creators. I suppose this is also why I have absolutely no problem with pirated software, music, or film. I wouldn't be taking a sale from someone, that's the foolish thinking of people who want to force others to pay them. If I had money to spend on hobbies and entertainment, it might be very different, but I honestly doubt it. Currently, I experience the games, spread the word of what I like to others and hope that games I enjoy others enjoy as well, and that eventually would trickle down to the developers. The sad part is, even I know this is a pipe dream. Trends and the 'Industry' will do what they want, no matter what happens to me. I truly believe that I have no control whatsoever on anything entertainment related, I just have to take what I can, enjoy what I can, and not get overwhelmed by it. Some might call me negative, or the worst kind of pirate. However, I do honestly do believe these things. 'Copyright' and 'official consumerism' disgust me to no end. It also depresses me when I think about stuff like this, so I usually blow it off and try not to. Call it what you will, I feel strongly about it.

I really don't think spoilers come into this. Most anime are a far cry from the games themselves. Like watching a movie and thinking it spoils a book. 100% of the time the book has more info, more depth, and more enjoyment than a movie version. Assuming the book comes first of course. Sure, it's great to want to watch the original first, then watch the movie/anime. But sometimes it seems like this is setting yourself up for disappointment. To be honest in most of those VN's with anime I listed before, I watched the anime first, then played the game, then found myself watching the anime again with a different insight after knowing the full details from the VN.

I've watched a ton of anime, and the more I think about it, the more I find that I've seen anime of popular VN's well before I played the game. Tsukihime, Fate/Stay, Clannad, Air, All of them I watched the anime versions of first. I suppose it comes down to the fact that I watch tons of current anime, and don't always have a translated VN to play in english before the anime is aired.

Ful's Mil, or Tears and farm the shellfish portals on that Lake map where you first meet the Afnac.

Yeah, I didn't even know about the shogun while doing serawi's route. And something tells me you don't meet the Elf Chief in Yuela's route either. So they seem very different.

Found this surfing the net, and think it belongs here. Ayup.

Yeah the inconsistancies between the Deardrops routes in length really is a bit off. However I think it's better that they did it this way than trying to stretch them out just to match length. Kanade and Riho's routes were the longest, and I think the best. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed Yayoi's route as well, even though it was short. However... Rimu's route seemed overly random and just kind of thrown together with little to no depth.