OneManArmy 82 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 stuff We've a different definiton of casual player, let's leave it at this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard the Lone Wolf 10 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I'm bored so I read this guy post one more time and found some annoying stuff. -,-" Where your talking about "casual" and "skilled" you usually imply a depth(information regarding the game, commonly called "burden of knowledge") or skill or some sort of mechanical learning curve. I see none in visual novels. No one mention anything about skill except you. Change the word "skilled" into "hardcore" and your argument points which is "depth(information regarding the game, commonly called "burden of knowledge") or skill or some sort of mechanical learning curve. I see none in visual novels." become invalid. "skilled"usually imply a depth(information regarding the game, commonly called "burden of knowledge") or skill or some sort of mechanical learning curve. I see none in visual novels.. Unfortunately, even though it's invalid, I had no choice but to elaborate on this since this is a false statement. *sighed* So you see none of the above traits in VN? Well, if you haven't play it yet, I suggest that you play this, and this. Then come back and tell me that there's no mechanical learning curve, skill, and "depth" in VNs. VN are fairly easy to read and understand. Orly? Hrm, if you haven't read it yet, then try reading this, this, and finally this. After that, come back and tell me that VN is fairly easy to read and understand. The casual readers vs insightful readers only applies when your reading a book of that caliber imo So, between LN/books and VNs, VNs doesn't have that kind of caliber. Hrm...Somehow, I find that insulting and annoying. Well, I guess it's enough for this discussion since I'm bored already. I could show an ex. between casual VN reader and hardcore VN reader, but nah. Doesn't worth the hassle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyromaru 29 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Gerald i would almost say you overdid it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otamegane 10 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 hey wolf, are those vn you set there good? if so, you have given me more to read also, cool down a bitt.. but GOOD JOB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Natsuki 10 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 My parents know I watch Anime. I even watched some with my mom. The last one we finished together was FMA. She also knows that I play VN's and that F/SN has sex in it. But that's the only one she knows that has that in it. though I never told her about my Yuri ones. I love the Sono Hanabria series. But I'm allowed to play them none the less. I just never would allow her to see me playing the sex scenes in the VN's I have. to damn embarrassing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iLoveTsundere 10 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Goddess Sumika has blessed me , Her lowly servant , into an eternity of freedom reading VNs with sex in front of everyone else (i.e. my girlfriend). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IllyrioM 11 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Having read the latest discussion in this thread i must point out a couple of things: - Implying that sadder, 'darker' and/or melodramatic equals better 'depth' (deeper stuff!!... which i suppose equates to better quality) is ridiculous. - Implying that people who don't like forced melodrama and depressing stuff are somewhat superficial and/or incapable of understanding such is especially ridiculous. - Implying (or rather, outright claiming) that VN's (translated, and so far) are not easy to read and understand, that is, very simple writing, is entirely dependant upon one's own reading level, literary knowledge and capabilities. As simple as that. To put it in D&D terms; when you're low to mid level you might think Charm, Stinking Cloud or Fireball to be superb spells, but when you've reached high levels and cast things like Chain Contingencies, Time Stops and Summon Planetars... not so much. - When it comes to things that don't have gameplay elements and are just what the name says 'visual novels' there cannot be any 'casual', 'skilled' or 'hardcore' categories discussion outside the fact that it just relates to the enjoyment levels of the genre, that is, how much do you like it and how much time do you spend on it. Basically it's just: "i like it more than you for i have tried them more than you (including the better written ones) so i'm a 'hardcore' vn reader while you are a 'casual' one". - Now, when it comes to things that do have gameplay mechanics, yes, i agree on the usage of the aforementioned categories as they relate to the effort involved in both dominating and understanding such gameplay elements to a high degree of competency or mastery... But, as this seems like quite the niche, i don't see much in the way of mainstreaming 'streamlining' dumbing down seen in other gaming genres happening here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avenger 11 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Oh my, arguing on the internet? Jikendor would be proud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yachi 13 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 implying implying implying implying Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Virsia 10 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 - Implying (or rather, outright claiming) that VN's (translated, and so far) are not easy to read and understand, that is, very simple writing, is entirely dependant upon one's own reading level, literary knowledge and capabilities. As simple as that. To put it in D&D terms; when you're low to mid level you might think Charm, Stinking Cloud or Fireball to be superb spells, but when you've reached high levels and cast things like Chain Contingencies, Time Stops and Summon Planetars... not so much. - When it comes to things that don't have gameplay elements and are just what the name says 'visual novels' there cannot be any 'casual', 'skilled' or 'hardcore' categories discussion outside the fact that it just relates to the enjoyment levels of the genre, that is, how much do you like it and how much time do you spend on it. Basically it's just: "i like it more than you for i have tried them more than you (including the better written ones) so i'm a 'hardcore' vn reader while you are a 'casual' one". - Now, when it comes to things that do have gameplay mechanics, yes, i agree on the usage of the aforementioned categories as they relate to the effort involved in both dominating and understanding such gameplay elements to a high degree of competency or mastery... But, as this seems like quite the niche, i don't see much in the way of mainstreaming 'streamlining' dumbing down seen in other gaming genres happening here. i think he/she implying to relativity theory? basically everything will became different value on different standpoint and gerard that one is an overkill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimecea 22 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) did i just read a whole load of bullshits??????? man... he needs to get a grip of himself.. a NEWBIE shouldnt get too much attention for their own good.. seriously... i cant even guarantee whats gonna happen next myself~~ Edited October 22, 2012 by ultimecea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avenger 11 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I can. Edited October 22, 2012 by Avenger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Virsia 10 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 whats what that picture anyway *broken image* just out of curiosity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IllyrioM 11 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 did i just read a whole load of bullshits??????? man... he needs to get a grip of himself.. a NEWBIE shouldnt get too much attention for their own good.. seriously... i cant even guarantee whats gonna happen next myself~~ Implying that what i wrote isn't true. Also, 1/10 Stop posturing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimecea 22 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Implying that what i wrote isn't true. Also, 1/10 Stop posturing. serious just die you faggot... all you wrote are stuffs that even the minority aint having problems with.. just you and you alone cant be MAN enough to take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IllyrioM 11 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 serious just die you faggot... all you wrote are stuffs that even the minority aint having problems with.. just you and you alone cant be MAN enough to take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol ok 6/10 then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneManArmy 82 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What have I started? (;¬_¬) ...seriously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimecea 22 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 haiz... thats it... im done with that NOOB better take care of your ass in here.. you never knew whats gonna happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pramit 22 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'm bored so I read this guy post one more time and found some annoying stuff. -,-" No one mention anything about skill except you. Change the word "skilled" into "hardcore" and your argument points which is "depth(information regarding the game, commonly called "burden of knowledge") or skill or some sort of mechanical learning curve. I see none in visual novels." become invalid. Unfortunately, even though it's invalid, I had no choice but to elaborate on this since this is a false statement. *sighed* So you see none of the above traits in VN? Well, if you haven't play it yet, I suggest that you play this, and this. Then come back and tell me that there's no mechanical learning curve, skill, and "depth" in VNs. Orly? Hrm, if you haven't read it yet, then try reading this, this, and finally this. After that, come back and tell me that VN is fairly easy to read and understand. So, between LN/books and VNs, VNs doesn't have that kind of caliber. Hrm...Somehow, I find that insulting and annoying. Well, I guess it's enough for this discussion since I'm bored already. I could show an ex. between casual VN reader and hardcore VN reader, but nah. Doesn't worth the hassle. thank you for the suggestions, i will certainly play them when i have the time. Like i said, i am new to these boards(and perhaps newer to vn's itself..compared to maybe some of you), if you feel the need to correct me, please do so earlier before i embarrass myself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneManArmy 82 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Like i said, i am new to these boards(and perhaps newer to vn's itself..compared to maybe some of you), if you feel the need to correct me, please do so earlier before i embarrass myself I want to apologize for ulti's behaviour and I know that I'm late but welcome to the board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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